Learning to Swim

What would be possible, if you embraced being a beginner?

Naomi Mellor (photo by Naomi Mellor)

 
I didn’t want to be ... starting from the beginning with something that seemed so simple. Swimming, to me, was like riding a bike or learning to drive. It was a rite of passage for young people, not adults.
— Naomi Mellor
 

Season 4 // Episode 7

Learning something new as an adult can be daunting, especially when it’s something that a lot of people have been doing since childhood.

On this episode, Naomi Mellor takes us from a beach in Australia to an archipelago in the UK and explores how she got past her fears and pushed herself to take a big plunge.

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    Hi, I’m Willow Belden, and you’re listening to Out There, the podcast that explores big questions through intimate stories outdoors.

    This is our last episode of the season. After this, we’re going to take a break for a while. My whole team has worked really, really hard this past year. And we need some time to recharge.

    So we’re going to take some time off. Like OFF off. As in, no email, no phone calls, no work — just down time.

    After Labor Day, I’ll start mapping out our next season. I don’t yet know when that will launch. But I do hope to release some bonus episodes this fall-slash-winter, while we’re working on producing the next season. So stay tuned for all of that.

    And now, on to our story for today.

    This story is about learning something new as an adult. It’s about being a beginner. Which can honestly be pretty daunting. It’s scary to start from scratch. Especially when the thing you’re trying to learn is something that a lot of people have been doing since childhood.

    So how do you get past all that? How do you push through the fear and motivate yourself to take a big plunge — both literally and metaphorically? And is it really worth it?

    Naomi Mellor has the story.

    NAOMI MELLOR: It might start with a buzzing in your head. Or just a feeling that something is coming, a dark, looming feeling on the horizon. There might be an aura, with flashes of light around the periphery of your vision. You may feel dizzy and nauseous, occasionally actually vomiting on a really bad day.

    And then it starts. The pounding, like wave after wave crashing onto a shore. The unrelenting pressure in your head that feels like someone is slowly and ever-so-painfully crushing your skull with both hands, whilst simultaneously stabbing around in your brain with a sharp dagger. All light is blinding. Everything is just too bright, too insistent, too loud, too much.

    All that most people can manage in this moment is to lie in a dark room and endure. You’re waiting for the wave to pass.

    As a child, migraines such as these were commonplace for me. Memories of a cold flannel on my forehead, of my mum’s cool hands and her murmuring, soothing voice, of curtains drawn against the daylight in summer. These loom large when I think back to these times.

    And the primary trigger for my migraines as a kid? It was swimming.

    I know, right? As a nature-loving, sports-mad, adventure-seeking little girl, I wanted to like swimming. I wanted to cruise up and down the pool like the adults and older children I saw, to make it look effortless and easy, and most of all, to enjoy it the way other kids seemed to. Instead, I hated every minute. I argued with my parents about going swimming. And each lesson ended with me feeling physically spent, like a wrung-out wet rag, struggling to breathe, and with the inevitable migraine on the horizon.

    By age 11, I gave up altogether.

    And yet.

    Throughout adulthood my failure to be even a half-competent swimmer niggled away at me.

    To be clear, I could keep myself afloat of a fashion. I vaguely understood the mechanics and methodology. But attempting it was…well, as one teacher dryly observed, like “watching a giraffe go swimming.” My body and limbs were technically present in the pool but were by no means coordinated. I flailed and spluttered, floundered and gasped, and felt like I was drowning after just a few meters.

    Living in Australia in my early twenties, friends and boyfriends swam at the beach whilst I read books or ran along the sand.

    Each year, they trained for and completed a famous swim race, reveling in their achievement whilst I celebrated their success from the support boat, feeling a part of things and yet not a part of things either.

    It wasn’t that I avoided the water completely. My housemate and I went to the beach most days post-work in summer, walking, chatting, enjoying a beer, or messing about in the shallows. But I always stayed right by the shore, where I could touch bottom.

    Then, on one of these evenings, a Tuesday of no particular note, things were thrown into sharp relief.

    Like so many moments in the outdoors, it began with one small, ill-judged decision.

    That evening I was alone. I mostly just walked in these situations, enjoying the long stretch of emptiness which allowed me to calm my mind and unwind. But it was hot — very hot — that day, and I had a bikini with me, so I opted for a little swim.

    We knew about the currents at this beach and the propensity for significant swells. The waves are often big, hence it’s an area renowned for surfing. But on that day, the sea was calm, and all looked well. The water was cool and welcoming, and I floated on my back, very near to the shore, looking up at the vivid blue, cloudless sky, bobbing around in the waves as they came into the beach and thinking about the day gone by.

    Ready to head home, I reached down with my toes, feeling for the sandy ocean floor to wade in. But my toes couldn’t touch down. I was out of my depth. And looking up, the beach seemed all of a sudden much, much further away than I had thought.

    I felt the grip of panic clutch at my chest. Somehow, I was drifting out towards the back of the surf break. The swell was stronger out here, and I started to be tossed around a little. A few waves broke over my head. I tried to head for the shore in the strongest fashion that I could, but I wasn’t going anywhere and I was rapidly running out of energy.

    I stopped for a moment and treaded water to assess where I was. Roughly in the same position as I was previously.

    Another wave over my head. The sharp bite of sea water in my throat. The rush of noise in my ears as the ocean was turning over. This was my first experience of its true power, and I was terrified. I had no control.

    Another couple of minutes went by. Breaths became gasps. Muscles were burning. Arms were flailing. It doesn’t take long when you’re trying hard and going nowhere to become very tired in the ocean.

    All I could see were sets of waves rolling towards me, ready to break over my head, and my rising sense of fear created a tightness in my throat that I’d never experienced before. How the hell was I going to get out of this mess?

    The negative thoughts crowding into my brain were interrupted by a voice at that moment. It wasn’t God, or an angel. It was a young blonde haired surfer.

    “You need a hand?” Those were the only words he uttered before hauling me up onto his board, hopping off the back, and effortlessly riding multiple consecutive waves to land me onto the beach.

    I sat there on the sand, eyes shut, coughing. By the time I found my voice and muttered a thank you, he’d gone, surfboard under his arm, dashing back into the white water and diving under a wave.

    I was lucky. But the experience left me bruised and chastened. The ocean had shown me her dark side. For the first time in my life I had been genuinely scared I might drown.

    But I was so embarrassed that this had happened to me. I was ashamed I’d been stupid enough to go swimming alone. So I told precisely no one about my frightening experience, not even my boyfriend at the time. I simply backed away from the ocean.

    Deep down, I knew I needed to address my lack of capabilities. I’d had a major wake up call, and I really wanted to do something about it. I wanted to feel at ease in the water, to be a confident swimmer, to know that I could cope out of my depth without the clutches of dread grasping at me.

    But I was frozen and just couldn’t get started. I was standing in my own way, which is strange, because I am someone with an innate love of the outdoors, and an even bigger love of a physical challenge. I’ve run an ultramarathon, but for some reason, I could not convince myself to learn to become a competent swimmer.

    The reality was that I didn’t want to be seen to be starting from the beginning with something that seemed so simple. Swimming to me was like riding a bike, or learning to drive. It was a rite of passage for young people, not adults. I couldn’t imagine telling people that I was learning from scratch. That would be mortifying! And the longer I left it without grasping the nettle, the larger the mental block became.

    The following year I left Australia, returning home to the UK after several years away. Swimming wasn’t embedded into the fabric of daily life in England the way it is in Australia, mostly because the weather is, well, inclement at best a lot of the time. The water is cold here, and whilst the sun sometimes shines in summer, that’s unpredictable to say the least. I mean, come on. You all know we Brits love to talk about the weather all the time, mainly because we’re jealous of everyone else’s long lazy summers basking on the beach.

    I ran, and cycled, and hiked, and practiced yoga, and life went on. Until that is, an unexpected moment occurred.

    It happened over a cup of tea.

    My closest colleague at that time was a woman named Katie, who is one of the kindest, most focused and capable individuals I have ever met. She’s a highly intelligent and empathetic veterinarian, beloved by her clients and their animals, a woman who had ridden horses to a high level previously, and she was looking to get fit.

    One morning, she asked me whether I’d consider a triathlon.

    “No”, I replied, “I’m just not sure it’s for me.” I left it at that, I didn’t want to go into details. “How about you?” I asked.

    She sighed and said, “Well, I fancy it. But I can’t swim.”

    She said it so simply, with no apparent embarrassment whatsoever.

    How did I not know this? Standing in front of me was this brilliant, capable woman telling me that she couldn’t really swim either. I felt ashamed at my own lack of transparency, the fact that I’d never had the guts to be so straightforwardly honest with other people, that I’d hidden my ineptitude beneath excuses about being on my period, having forgotten my swimsuit or heading out for a run instead because “I needed the miles under my belt.” How ridiculous that seemed now.

    “I mean, I vaguely know the theory,” she said, “I sort of learnt as a child. But I can’t swim a length in the pool, and I don’t like being out of my depth.”

    What? This was exactly the same as me! A kindred spirit in the crappy-swimmer stakes!

    Words spilled out of me as I found my voice and described how similar my situation was, how I was in the same boat, that although my brain knew what it perhaps ought to do, my body had never performed the movements enough to normalize them for my limbs. The panic and extreme exhaustion that swimming induced. And the migraines. Oh, the migraines.

    We commiserated with one another about having kept this secret bottled up inside for so long. We shared the shame we felt about being in our thirties and not being able to do something that a lot of kids could do pretty competently, and we laughed at our own ridiculousness. We gently unpicked the fact that what actually underpinned our reservations about learning something new was a fear of failure. What if we tried to learn, and we were no good at it?

    And that was the moment. It was so simple. There was no great fanfare, just a cup of tea in a quiet moment, and two friends realizing they were in the same boat.

    Just before she left, I blurted it out. “Do you want to find a teacher and learn together?” Katie smiled, and said, “Why not. Let’s do it.”

    What struck me about this moment was that failures aren’t so embarrassing if other people are experiencing them too. It’s one of the reasons I wanted to share this story: to remind others that there are lots of people out there who can’t do the things that you expect that they can, and when we share our vulnerabilities with others, it’s amazing how many you’ll find in the same boat. Katie had been open and shown her vulnerability to another person. I, in turn, had bared mine right back.

    There was something about that shared moment, and the prospect of the shared experience of learning that made the idea of taking swimming lessons seem much less daunting, a shared power between us as it were. The apprehension was still there, but I had a buddy to keep me accountable, to make sure I turned up, and in whom I could confide.

    And contrary to my expectations, it was fun.

    We found a patient, empathetic teacher named Kathy, who listened carefully to each of us, digesting our individual stories. She acknowledged our fears, and told us that none of what we said was particularly uncommon, because actually, a lot of people can’t swim the length of a pool.

    To start with, she asked us to just swim — to do what we could, for as far as we could. That way she’d know what she was working with, or, to be more precise, what she wasn’t working with.

    I attempted a few strokes of front crawl, then surfaced, spluttering and gasping. My feet pedaled, toes searching for the floor, and I stood up, relieved that the pool was standing depth throughout its length.

    “OK,” she said. “Let’s begin.”

    By the end of that first lesson, for the first time in my life, I was hopeful about swimming. I started to think that there might be a time when, with a good deal of practice, I might actually enjoy it.

    Adding to the optimism was the fact that Kathy had a theory about my migraines. She suspected my breathing, or lack thereof, might be the trigger. Due to my poor coordination, I didn’t breathe well enough or often enough, and my short inefficient gasps might be leading to lower oxygen delivery to my brain.

    Now that we thought we had an explanation, the breathing practice began.

    Kathy had me doing all sorts of drills with floats, and paddles, and fins, and strange pieces of apparatus I’d never seen or heard of before. I learned to turn my head properly, to keep my ear on the surface of the water and to take powerful, efficient breaths to re-oxygenate myself effectively.

    Kathy was kind and understanding, but that didn’t mean she didn’t push us. She did. Every session was so tiring, but slowly, gradually, week by week, I improved.

    I started to be able to coordinate my head, my arms and my legs into something that looked vaguely like a recognizable stroke. First, I managed a length, with a decent rest when I got there. Then I could swim two lengths, then four. There were headaches, yes, but nothing unmanageable. I felt tired, yes, but not a crushing tiredness I couldn’t cope with.

    It was so hard, but it felt worth every ounce of the effort. If you love sports, you’ll understand the rush of endorphins — that “good” tiredness that comes after enjoyable exertion. And I swelled with pride each time I touched the end of the pool and turned to go again. The tide was turning gradually, and my confidence turned with it. The water had become a haven, a place where I was alone below the surface, away from my smartphone and people talking to me.

    But although I had become comfortable in the pool, I still felt a sense of dread at the vast wildness of the ocean. The whole point of learning to swim was to feel capable out in open water. And I yearned to be outside, to be swimming in nature. Achieving “success” for me was to see the sky as I swam, to feel the tingle of salt in my throat, and to swim out the back of the surf break without being paralyzed by fear. I wanted to tame the beast that had terrified me so thoroughly that day in Australia.

    And then I discovered Ötillö, and the sport of swimrun.

    Ö-till-ö translates as “island to island” in Swedish. This sport is about adventure and being in nature. In a swimrun race you swim, then run, then swim a bit more and run a bit more, getting in and out of the water up to 40 or more times. Everything you wear you carry throughout the race, meaning you swim in your trainers and run in your wetsuit, which, quite honestly, makes you look a bit strange when training alone on the edge of London. It’s a friendly, inclusive sport, where everyone is welcomed and encouraged, and the emphasis is on the journey, not the time it takes you.

    There are good swimmers and good runners, and people new to both. There are old people, young people and others in between, and there’s a rainbow of nationalities at every race. The events are held in some of the most beautiful corners of the world, in national parks, archipelagos of islands and remote stretches of coastline. The events embrace the wildness and unpredictability of nature and often include technical trails and bits of bouldering. Ötillö was founded by Swedes, and everyone’s a little bit bonkers. It sounded right up my street.

    I knew that completing a race would be a chance for me to prove to myself that I could conquer the ocean, once and for all. I set my sights on a solo race in the Isles of Scilly, a stunning group of islands off the coast of Cornwall. If I was going to challenge myself in the sea, it might as well be in a beautiful place.

    Then I had to pick how long a race I wanted to do. The World Series category had 30 km of running — no problem, I thought — and 8 km of swimming. Ah. That was far too much. The middle distance option entailed 13 km of running and just under 3 km in the open water, which I decided was realistic but sufficiently ambitious. I signed up.

    In preparation, I started swimming at our local lake several times a week, against a backdrop of pink early-summer skies. The ducks swam alongside me, and weeping willows bowed to the water on the shores of the lake, casting dappled shadows across the surface. It was bliss, and for the first time, I started to feel at one with the water. Smooth. Strong. In flow. Connected to nature. I was still overtaken by other swimmers very regularly, but who cared? I was a swimmer too, and it didn’t matter how fast or otherwise I was. I belonged.

    The day of the race neared in June, and we traveled down to the Isles of Scilly in high spirits.

    But the day of the race dawned wild. It was so windy, with gray clouds scudding across the sky, and a big swell in the sea. The waves looked brutal, the ocean was unleashing the power that I knew she held. Familiar feelings of fear niggled at my insides.

    There were mutterings and rumors about whether things would go ahead, which only served to heighten my nerves. But the safety crews were in place, and after a few minor course amendments, we began.

    The gun went, and the pack set off. First run, check. Into the water. First swim.

    It was cold, and I was enveloped in a maelstrom of arms and legs. In the confusion I headed in the wrong direction, subsequently swimming far further than I needed to. I was having trouble sighting, and failing to employ the skills I had assiduously honed over months of practice. Dammit. I was flailing. Why had I thought this was a good idea? I was in the sea, miles from home, fighting my way through several feet of swell and legs, and struggling, big time. The doubts crept in. This was just the first swim, and there was a long way to go.

    Someone once said to me, “How do you run? You just put one foot in front of the other. It’s all in your mind.” This thought occurred to me as I felt out of my depth, and out of my comfort zone. How do you swim? Just keep your arms turning over, and your legs kicking. It’s all in your mind.

    I refocused on my stroke and my breath. One, two, three, breathe. One, two, three, breathe. This calmed my mind and settled my body. I slowly found a rhythm.

    Coming out of the water after the first swim, I was near the back of the pack, but I’d made it, and we all hot-footed it off around the coast path.

    Gradually, though, I got into it. Run a bit, swim a bit, judge the swell, negotiate the rocky exits, watch your footing, follow the flags, run some more, swim some more. I found myself smiling, and by the time I stood on the precipice of the rocks at the entry to the next swim, with the wind whipping my hair, I was laughing. This was madness, and I was loving it. I felt free, and I knew I’d be ok. I was. I climbed in and out on the rocks of the islands, riding the waves on the way into the shore. I felt strong and powerful, working in tandem with mother nature, not against her.

    After a couple of hours, I crossed the line with a huge smile spread across my face, filled with joy and delight.

    That day at the Ötillö, I didn’t conquer the ocean. But strangely, I didn’t feel the need to anymore. Mother Nature had drawn me in with an almost magnetic force. I had never felt more free than I did during those few hours, negotiating my way around a tiny island in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, the birds wheeling and calling overhead. The raw power and vastness of it all were the most devastatingly thrilling thing. The ocean had got under my skin, and entered my soul. She no longer felt like an adversary. She wasn’t a dangerous beast I had to slay or tame. Instead, she was a friend. A partner in crime. A source of freedom and belonging.

    It seems so obvious now, but at the time it was a revelation: as much as the sea can terrify you, so she can thrill and calm you even more. Nowadays, when I look out at a stretch of open water, it fills me with excitement, rather than trepidation. And when I’m swimming, the ocean seems to hold me in the palm of her hand.

    My first race was done. This year, I’m taking on a big one.

    WILLOW: That was Naomi Mellor. She’s a podcast host and producer living just north of London, in the UK. She's also the co-founder of the International Women's Podcast Awards. You can see more of her work at everybody-media.com.

    And just a quick update. Since this story was produced, something really unfortunate happened. Naomi was in an auto accident this spring, so she’s not going to be able to compete in any big athletic events this year after all. But she’s hoping to be back on track in 2024.

    Naomi, I’m wishing you a speedy and full recovery.

    As I mentioned at the top of the episode, we’re taking a break for the rest of the summer. And I don’t know exactly when our next season will launch. But we do plan to release some bonus episodes later this year. And if you’d like to stay in the loop about that, just sign up for our email list. I have a link in the episode description. And you can also follow us on social media for updates. We’re on Facebook and Instagram @outtherepodcast.

    Out There is a proud member of Hub & Spoke, a collective of idea-driven independent podcasts.

    One of the other shows in the collective that I think you might enjoy is called Mementos. It’s a podcast about the things we choose to keep, and the personal stories behind those things. It’s a quiet, introspective podcast — kind of like Out There. And Lori Mortimer, who hosts it, is just a wonderful human.

    You can find Mementos wherever you get your podcasts, or at mementospodcast.com.

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    If you’d like your own personal mountain guide, check out PeakVisor in the app store. You just might love it.

    Today’s story was written and narrated by Naomi Mellor. Story editing and sound design by me, Willow Belden. Out There’s advertising manager is Jessica Heeg. Our audience growth director is Sheeba Joseph. Our ambassadors are Tiffany Duong, Ashley White, and Stacia Bennet. And our theme music was written by Jared Arnold.

    Special thanks to everyone who is supporting Out There with financial contributions, including Angie Chatman, Eric Biederman, Phil Timm, Doug Frick, Tara Joslin, Deb and Vince Garcia, and the family of Mike Ludders. If you’d like to join your fellow listeners in helping us fund our next season, consider becoming a patron today at patreon.com/outtherepodcast. Patreon is a crowd-funding platform for creative endeavors, and you can make contributions in any amount that works for you. Again, that’s patreon.com/outtherepodcast.

    I hope you have a wonderful summer, and I look forward to making more stories for you after we come back from our break.

    And in the meantime, have a beautiful day, be bold, go outside, and find your dreams.

 

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Excavating Grief

How a trip to a cabin helped the healing begin

Foreground: Mykella Van COoten; Background: Cabin near Toronto (Photos courtesy Mykella Van Cooten)

 
Sometimes, the feelings that are causing us problems are buried so deep that only the stillness of the woods can show us what we are truly feeling.
— Mykella Van Cooten
 

Season 4 // Episode 6

Mykella Van Cooten was angry, and she didn’t know why. It got so bad that she began to feel unhinged.

And then, she went to a little cabin in the woods. In this episode, she tells the story of what happened. It’s a story about stopping, about letting go, and about uncovering the real feelings that are buried deep beneath the surface.

  • Welcome to Out There Podcast. Our stories are written for the ear, so for those able, we recommend listening while reading along. Transcripts may contain minor errors; please check the audio before quoting.

    VOICEOVER: Hub and Spoke audio collective.

    WILLOW BELDEN: It’s a beautiful Sunday morning. I’m in Colorado with my uncle. We’re at the top of this mountain. And the view is just gorgeous. It’s this panorama of snowy peaks. And we’re trying to figure out which mountain is which. Because, the day before, we had tried to summit one of them. Which didn’t end up working out, because we got caught in a snowstorm. But anyway, we wanted to see where we had been. So I pull out my phone and open up PeakVisor.

    So, North Arapaho Peak is straight in front of us there.

    WALTER MUGDAN: So, when you say “straight in front of us,” does it look like the highest peak from our perspective?

    WILLOW: Yes, it looks like the highest peak.

    WALTER: OK.

    WILLOW: Um, and then you see the glacier.

    WALTER: Oh that is the glacier. That whole big snow bowl thing is the glacier. OK, now I get it.

    WILLOW: Right.

    PeakVisor is our presenting sponsor this season. Their app helps you figure out what you’re looking at when you’re out in the mountains. When you open it up, it determines where you are, and then it shows you a panoramic picture of everything you’re seeing, with all the peaks labeled.

    If you’d like your own personal mountain guide, check out PeakVisor in the app store. You just might love it.

    Hi, I’m Willow Belden, and you’re listening to Out There, the podcast that explores big questions through intimate stories outdoors.

    Big feelings can be scary. They keep us on edge, they seep into our work, they can threaten our relationships. And it’s especially hard when you don’t really know where they’re coming from. When the feelings don’t make sense.

    So what do you do in a situation like that? How do you regain a sense of calm, when your emotions are baffling, and you can’t seem to get them under control?

    In this episode, Mykella Van Cooten takes us from her home in Toronto to a cabin in the woods, and explores how she found healing.

    And just so you know, this story contains some adult language.

    MYKELLA VAN COOTEN: I learned a long time ago, as a black woman, I had to control my anger. I never wanted to be stereotyped as an angry black woman. But last year, my anger was right there, bubbling and rising up. And there was so much of it. It got to the point where I got so angry that I began to feel unhinged.

    Every little annoyance would balloon into this weird rage. Every noise my roommate made; every time my dog Eddie stared at me and I didn’t know what he wanted; every time there was a knock at the door while I worked from home, I would feel this rage just rising up. I felt like I was outside of my body. And I just kept wondering: why am I so angry?

    I like being in control. It makes me feel safe, and it relieves my anxiety. So when my anger began threatening to burst out of me, I was scared. I felt out of control, and I did not like it.

    Normally, when I need to sort out confusing emotions, I go away. I book myself into a retreat with yoga and energy work, sound baths and meditations. A trip with a purpose. And then I come home feeling refreshed.

    But this time, taking off for a week of “me time” just wasn’t an option.

    I’d recently changed careers and I’d gotten a coveted work opportunity, and I didn’t want to say no to it. That also meant I had a deadline to meet. So there was no way I could take time off.

    So I figured I’d do the next best thing: I’d book myself on a work-away trip. I wouldn’t be able to get away to a retreat, but I would be in a place where I could be alone with my dog and just kind of veg out, doing spurts of work, and maybe get away from the daily annoyances that were triggering this weird anger.

    I started researching the perfect hideaway, with quiet and hiking trails, but also cell service and high quality wifi. After weeks of searching, I’d found the perfect spot. I even knew what restaurants were nearby, what they had on their menus, and if they delivered. I was ready.

    So I headed to this little cabin in the woods, to work remotely, in peace. Well, that’s what I thought I was doing. It turns out, nature had other plans.

    I did have some idea where my anger was coming from. I want to say it was September 2021 when I got a text from my stepmother. She was asking if I wanted to adopt a child.

    I guess this question deserves a little bit of history. I’m 50 years old. And there have been several times in my life when I have tried to have a child. I had tried to get pregnant during my short-lived marriage. Later, I joined a co-parenting “dating” site. Then, a really good friend of mine even tried to help me make a baby for almost a year.

    I had tried a lot of things. But none of them had worked. So, when my stepmother asked me if I wanted to adopt a child, it made sense. And I said yes. We hung up, all smiles, and that was that.

    The following February, I got a call saying there was a baby who needed to be adopted in Guyana. That’s where my family is from and where my stepmother was living at the time. The baby girl would be born in two months. I was going to be a mom!

    And my stepmother offered to help — a lot. She offered to move the baby in with her until the baby could come to Canada. She had a lawyer handling all the paperwork at her own expense. And she even promised that she and my dad would help me out financially.

    The baby was born in April. Every few days, my stepmother would send pictures or we would do a video call. And I started to plan a baby shower.

    But some things were feeling off to me. Like, when the baby was just a couple of months old, I remember hearing that my dad had told a family friend that he had a new grandchild. But somehow, I was never named as the baby’s mom. And later, I found out, promises were being made to the biological parents — about things like visitations — without asking me first.

    It seemed like my dad and my stepmother didn’t really see me as the baby’s mom. And more and more, I was feeling like some kind of surrogate caretaker or babysitter, not a mother. I felt like they didn’t even see me, and it hurt.

    The last straw was an issue with the baby’s name. My stepmother and I simply couldn’t agree on what to call her. And when I didn’t back down on what I wanted, my stepmother just stopped. She stopped talking to me. She stopped sending pictures and updates about the baby. Well, there was one phone call. On it, stepmother said she felt disrespected. Then she hung up.

    I didn’t get a chance to respond, and my requests to talk more were ignored.

    Eventually, I got a text from my stepmother saying simply: “The parents have decided they no longer want you to adopt the baby.”

    I went from being a mom, to not.

    I was stunned. I felt how you feel after an accident. Numb. Dazed. Like when time stands still, and you aren’t really sure where you are, or what just happened. Sometimes I would just walk my dog aimlessly, feeling out of my body, like I was free-floating.

    After the shock wore off, there were all kinds of emotions. Different ones on different days, in different hours, and different minutes. There were all the bad ones: sadness, depression, loss, grief. But there were also good ones. I was relieved to finally know what was going on, to be free from a co-parenting agenda I hadn’t consented to. And I was proud that I put my foot down. And I was grateful that I had had enough time to cancel the baby shower before people had wrapped gifts for a child who wasn’t coming.

    I felt so many things. And I processed them all. Every day, for months, I did the emotional work of sorting through my feelings. And I had come to terms with losing the opportunity to adopt a baby.

    So why, dammit, if I had done so much emotional work, why was I still so angry?

    On the morning of my trip, I checked the last item off my list and headed out. It was a nice drive, just an hour and a half outside the city. Then, there it was: the cutest little cabin, sitting at the edge of a forest in all the prettiest reds, yellows and oranges.

    I got out of the car, let Eddie out, and moved my things from into the house. I packed everything away — food in the fridge, clothes in the dresser, toiletries on the shelf in the bathroom. Putting everything in its place made me feel at home.

    So, now that everything was in its place, now what? I had no work to do that day, so I decided to explore the cabin’s amenities. There was a cute porch to sun myself on and a cute little firepit just for me. The fall sun was beaming down like it was still summer.

    So I sat by the firepit, and I rested.

    Well, kind of.

    I sat there for a few minutes. But it wasn’t long before my brain started circling. Had I forgotten anything? Had I put all my stuff away? Was the car locked? Did it even need to be?

    Then I’d stop myself and clear my mind. But in just a few more minutes, I was thinking: ‘Am I sure the car is locked?’ Then I realized the car is literally right beside me.

    I’d stop thinking, but after a few minutes, I’d have another thought.

    Oh, this sitting still, doing nothing, it felt so weird. I don’t know the last time I just stopped. I don’t think I remembered how.

    I only stayed sitting in that chair because the sun was so unusually warm, and I wanted to stay and enjoy it. So I stayed in that chair. And that’s when things started to happen.

    I lost track of time. And then I felt the denseness of my body, sinking deep into that chair. And my breathing started to slow down. My shoulders relaxed. Sitting amongst those beautiful trees in the sunshine, with nothing to do, I finally sunk into rest. And I cried — gentle, thin lines of tears that slid and rounded my cheeks and dripped off the edge of my chin.

    I have no idea how long I cried. But, at some point, I got up, dried my tears and went back into the cabin. I had to prepare for tomorrow. I mean, I had a schedule. I had work to do.

    So, the next morning, I settled in, with headphones, laptop and a snuggly corner of the couch to work in, with my little mug of tea. Then I attempted to start my workday. And I did do some work. But I was distracted, and I was still grouchy. And mostly, I was still drenched in sadness. Like after a really good cry, but one where you know there is much more pain there. I was grief soaked.

    And the next day, I was nauseated. Then, for some reason, I started craving whole milk. I haven’t drunk whole milk in over 15 years. But I thought my body wanted it, so I went out, I bought it, and I drank it. One swig. And then I threw it up.

    Dammit. Oh God, I knew what this meant. When I am nauseated and can’t hold down heavy food, something emotional needs to come out. And it needs to come out now.

    My body, mother earth, they didn’t care about my work schedule. They just didn’t care. My feelings were going to come out. Right now. Shit.

    So finally, I just surrendered. I took a break from all my non-pressing work, and I just sat there. I sat in the cabin, I sat by the fire pit, I sat on the porch. I ate when I needed to. But mostly, I stayed still, and I just stared — out the window, at the trees, at the TV, into space. And when the tears came, I let them. I let it all go.

    And once I did, I had a shocking revelation. My overwhelming anger was my way of staying in control, of staying safe, from a deep grief that was terrifying me. And it wasn’t about losing a baby. Yes, that was sad. But I had come to terms with being childless a long time ago. This grief was way deeper. I was grieving the loss of the family life that I’d hoped I’d gain by raising this child.

    My parents had gotten divorced when I was around seven years old. Before then, even when my parents were fighting, I loved being with my dad. He was my absolute best friend. My favorite memory of him was when he bundled me and my sister up in our snowsuits and took us to the park to play in the snow, for hours. And my mom, she waited inside like a Leave it to Beaver mom, making hot chocolate.

    So when my dad moved out, I lost my playmate. I lost my partner in crime. And after he left, he didn’t call. He didn’t return phone calls. He didn’t visit, and he’d often miss his assigned weekends with me and my sisters.

    Then, when he got together with my stepmother, I got to live with them for several years in my tweens and in high school. All of a sudden, I didn’t have to hope he would return my phone calls or come around. I didn’t have to hear him say he couldn’t talk because he was having dinner with his new family. I was in his new family. And he was right there.

    As an adult, I worked for my dad's business for a while. And when I worked for him, I’d see him every day. And we would joke around and get along just like when I was little. And if I called him, he’d call me back.

    But once I stopped living and working with him, I didn’t see him anymore. And he stopped returning my phone calls. He was gone.

    But his new family, oh, they seemed to have a charmed life — a mom and a dad in love, with really cool kids. A full family. And as I got closer to my half sister, sh’d tell me about my dad taking pictures of her while she got ready for prom, just like it is in the movies. He even showed up for a 5k run that she did to cheer her on. Yet, he hadn’t shown up to my graduation — from university.

    I mean, I knew I was jealous, but I didn’t realize how desperately I wanted to be a permanent member of my dad’s new family. So, when my stepmother called and asked if I wanted to adopt this child, with the full support of her and my dad, and I would be the mom to the first grandchild my dad and stepmother wanted so much, something inside me said, “This is my way in.”

    I felt blindsided. It seemed no matter what I did, I would never be enough to fully belong. I was broken.

    Now I knew exactly why I had been angry. My anger had been protecting me from my pain. But now that I knew the pain existed, I wanted to let it go. I wanted to feel normal again.

    So in that little cabin, amongst towering trees and nurturing sunshine, I let the healing begin.

    That week, I stayed still and allowed myself to feel my deepest pain. And as I did that — as I processed the real feelings that had been buried for so long — there was no space left for the anger.

    When the week was over, I was still grief soaked. But I was so relieved to feel something I understood and could reckon with in real time. Honestly, by the end of the week, even knowing I had more grief to work through, I felt refreshed.

    When I got home from the cabin, I still got angry. But it was like the little annoyances of everyday life. The grief was still there too. It takes a long time to be done with grief. But finally I knew what I was feeling, and that felt good.

    I know I will never be a real member of my dad's new family, and honestly, I don’t want to be. I realized that the fantasy family I had created in my mind, that wasn’t real. The real family dynamic, I found out, is something I don’t want to be a part of. And nature helped me see that.

    I had processed a lot of feelings since the adoption fell through. But it wasn’t until my trip to the cabin — until nature forced me to stop and let go — that I could even express the deepest pain I had inside. Sometimes, the feelings that are causing us problems are buried so deep that only the stillness of the woods can show us what we’re truly feeling. And only by letting ourselves feel those feelings can we start to reclaim our inner peace.

    WILLOW: That was Mykella Van Cooten. She’s a radio producer living in Toronto. If you want to see more of her work, I have a link at our website, outtherepodcast.com.

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Ice Swimming

Soothing the brain by shocking the body

Photo of a frozen sea, with a hole in the ice at the end of a dock.

An “avanto” in Finland, where people go ice swimming (Photo by Landry Ayres)

 
I had found this incredible sense of peace right there in the middle of that ice hole.
— Elizabeth Whitney
 

Season 4 // Episode 5

In Finland, it’s commonplace to go swimming in the winter — outdoors.

The practice offers surprising mental-health benefits, and it isn’t just for die-hard adventurers. On this episode, we share the story of one woman who started “ice swimming” in an effort to get through a devastating grief.

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    Hi, I’m Willow Belden, and you’re listening to Out There, the podcast that explores big questions through intimate stories outdoors.

    Our theme this season is “Secrets of the Earth.” Each episode, we’re harnessing the power of nature to better understand our own humanity.

    As we head into summer, many of us are thinking about swimming. Whether it’s a trip to the beach, or a lazy day at a lake, or just taking your kids to the local splash park — being in the water can be deeply relaxing. It’s a great way to escape the daily grind and release pent-up stress.

    Of course, for most of us, these activities come to an end when the weather gets cold. But what if you could go swimming year round? Outdoors? In a frozen sea?

    Today we're headed to Finland, where something called “ice swimming” is common. And we’re going to explore what can happen when we try to soothe the brain by shocking the body. Landry Ayres has the story.

    And just so you know, this episode discusses depression and addiction.

    ELIZABETH WHITNEY: Huomenta!

    LANDRY AYRES: Huomenta!

    I’m standing on the shore of the Baltic Archipelago in southern Finland, about seven kilometers from downtown Helsinki. It’s 20 degrees Fahrenheit, and while the sun is in one of its rare shining moods, the air is frigid, so much so that the entire sea before me is frozen solid. Everything, that is, but a small patch at the end of a dock that a new friend of mine is descending into.

    How does it feel?

    ELIZABETH: It’s like I’m being swaddled in a vice grip.

    (laughter)

    ELIZABETH: I had this friend — I don’t know if I told you this part — he said that at about two minutes you start to get this weird euphoric feeling like, “I could just stay here forever.” (laughs)

    LANDRY: I mean, when you got in I was expecting at least some sort of immediate, maybe unconscious, reaction. But it looks, if you didn’t know how cold it was, like you just jumped into any old swimming pool.

    ELIZABETH: I'm Elizabeth Whitney. And my official title in the world is I'm an associate professor in the City University of New York, and I'm also a visiting researcher at the University of Helsinki.

    I first came to Finland as a Fulbright scholar in 2015. It was a happy accident. It was the opposite world of New York, which was exactly what I needed. It was just quiet and beautiful. And I just, I fell in love.

    LANDRY: After her Fulbright program ended, Elizabeth moved back and forth between Finland and the U.S. several times. But she kept feeling this visceral pull back to the Nordics. Eventually she settled back down in Helsinki in 2021.

    But this time, it wasn’t the magical place she remembered. This was the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. Finland is already a society where it takes a lot of work to earn people’s trust. You don’t become best friends with people quickly there. And now, everyone was in covid isolation. So, it was lonely.

    And then, one day, she received some really horrible news.

    ELIZABETH: It was probably, I don't know, seven or eight in the morning here. And, yeah, I was alone in my apartment. And in one of those horrible movie moments where you wake up, and there are a whole list of messages on your phone, on all of the various social media platforms that we communicate on. And, you know, I'm reading like, in chronological order, that my brother is in the hospital, they don't think he's going to last another hour. And there's this garbled Google Translate voice message from my mom.

    And the first person I called was my youngest brother. And he told me that Bill had died an hour ago.

    I have two siblings. So I'm the oldest, Bill was the middle child, Ed is the youngest, and we were all very close as adults. Our nickname for each other was “Meow,” from Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood, that was our nickname for each other. And we talked in meow meow, we sang in meow meow. And you know, we were just incredibly silly. We all have a shared sense of, of silly humor. Bill was maybe the silliest though. I mean, he was — he was really, really, really funny.

    LANDRY: Bill had died of liver failure. It was a result of years of heavy drinking. His death wasn’t all that surprising, but it did happen suddenly, which of course didn’t make it any easier for Elizabeth.

    In those first few days after she got the news, she kept trying to focus on the happy memories she had of her brother.

    ELIZABETH: It’s so easy to get caught up in the last few years when his drinking was unmanageable, and he was unrecognizable. And it was…Frequently you just couldn't tell who you were having a conversation with, which is just an agonizing part of loving an addict, as many people know who have loved addicts.

    So it's like this back and forth between remembering, you know what a beautiful, kind, loving, queer, feminist cat weirdo artist he was, and what, like, a precious person he was, and then my anger at his inability to get his shit together.

    LANDRY: The next few weeks were a blur. Elizabeth had to deal with all of the mundane but exhausting tasks that come after something like this: buying plane tickets to go back home to see her family, arranging for long-term cat sitters, then going to Bill’s house and sifting through his belongings.

    And then, three months later, she went back to Finland and tried to go on with life. But that was really hard.

    I moved from the States to Finland not long before Elizabeth returned, and one of the first things you realize upon settling down here is that Finland is a nation of extremes. The summers are wonderful, but during the winter, the sun barely comes above the horizon, and it’s almost always cloudy. It’s so dark that over the course of a whole month, you only get a few hours of sunlight. It’s harsh, and one of the most common reasons newcomers have a hard time adapting to life here.

    So returning to Finland in the middle of one of the most bleak times of year was already going to be tough. But when you’re still in Covid isolation and your brother has died, that’s another level of pain. A kind of pain where the grief overshadows everything else. Where it seems like there’s no possibility for relief.

    ELIZABETH: I just was desperate. I needed to do something, I was numb. Like, if that makes sense, I was so physically numb, I just wanted something shocking. I just wanted to shock myself into a different place. And I just decided, I'm going to start ice swimming.

    LANDRY: Ice swimming has been a popular pastime in the Nordics for centuries. Lots of people do it. And it’s not just for rugged, tough survivalist types. There’s actually kind of a stereotype that it’s a hobby for older women. Imagine grannies puttering out onto a dock with flowery swim caps and neoprene socks on, then jumping into a frozen lake. When COVID-19 started, there was a big uptick in younger people picking it up, too. So, Elizabeth decided to try it.

    ELIZABETH: And so it did feel a bit like, you know, Cheryl Strayed in Wild where she’s just like, “I'm just putting this backpack on and I’m gonna start walking.” And so I just was like, “I'm just going out there.” And I had like the cheapest flimsiest shoes and gloves, and I had no idea what I was doing.

    LANDRY: Elizabeth went to an avanto, which is what Finns call a hole in the ice, where they swim, or rather, dip. There are tons of them scattered around Finland: small and large, well maintained and not. And they really are just holes in the ice.

    ELIZABETH: So it's almost like you're at a Finnish mökki, which is the summer cottage where there's a sauna, and then you walk down to the water to swim. And then you walk out of the cabin and down these wooden steps. And you have to walk across this often very icy, gravelly path. And then you walk down a pretty long dock, and there are steps that go down into the water, and you sort of push off from the steps and swim.

    The first time I went in, I managed to stay for 12 seconds.

    When you go in the water your muscles seize up. You are in a survival mode, like a really basic survival mode. And you panic.

    LANDRY: One of the things experienced cold swimmers will tell you is that the most important thing to do when you first start to panic like this is to control your breath. You shouldn’t think about the pain or numbness or how badly you want to get out; you should just try to steadily breathe in and out. That focus on the most basic of human needs, to breathe, helps distract you from everything else and prevents you from being overwhelmed and hyperventilating. So that’s all Elizabeth tried to do — just breathe.

    ELIZABETH: When I came out, I felt like I was on fire. It was like someone had plugged me into an electric socket. All your nerve endings just kind of fizz out for a minute, and you can't feel anything. You actually feel warm, like almost hot, like you feel this burning sensation all over your whole body. And it was, it was just, it was in a high it was this incredible high, and I just stood on the dock like, “This is drugs.”

    And then of course, you're chasing that high, if you will, for the rest of the time that you're swimming. Like, every time you do it, you're like “Aaah, is it gonna feel that good again? Is it gonna feel that good?” And of course, it's never as good as the first time, but it always does feel like, you always do get just like that burning endorphin rush. That's the part that keeps you going back.

    ANTTI LINDFORS: People refer to this practice as an addiction and themselves as having become addicted to this cold exposure.

    LANDRY: This is Dr. Antti Lindfors, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Helsinki and co-author of Avantoon: A Winter Swimming Handbook. He says Elizabeth’s reaction is common. A lot of cold swimmers compare their hobby to an addiction. It happens because, when you’re in a stressful situation, like cold swimming, your body releases a bunch of chemicals in order to level you out. It’s immediate. It’s intense. And it actually feels really good.

    LINDFORS: I think it has to do with neurochemicals and hormones that cold exposure releases: noradrenaline and adrenaline, endorphins, which are these, basically, body's own morphine, a painkiller, and also dopamine and serotonin, these neurotransmitters.

    LANDRY: It’s kind of ironic, right? Elizabeth’s brother has just died from complications of substance abuse. And now she’s describing her one relief as “addicting.” If you didn’t know the high came from swimming it would sound a little self destructive. But actually, Lindfors says this kind of natural high can be pretty good for you.

    LINDFORS: If you're highly stressed, it helps you release those stress hormones and balances you back. But if you're, like, fatigued, you have low levels of stress hormones, it helps you to pump them up. So it has a balancing effect. And all of these have an effect on energy levels, focus, and through that, it's considered a potential treatment for depression, for instance.

    LANDRY: Elizabeth was hooked right away, so she kept with the cold swimming. Chasing the high of that first time, she returned to the avanto every day for a month straight, strengthening her diaphragm and practicing the proper breathing technique. She bought better neoprene socks and gloves, and got keys to a changing room so she didn’t have to change on the windswept dock.

    She was slowly becoming strong enough to stay in the water for longer periods: for 15 seconds, 30, then a minute, then two, the lack of feeling in her fingers and toes lasting longer and longer.

    ELIZABETH: It took me a couple of weeks before I could think about something other than surviving. And then maybe like a week after that, where I was like, “Oh, my God, this is gorgeous. This is incredible.” I couldn't believe how beautiful it was. You know, of course I've been swimming in Finnish lakes and ponds and in the Baltic in the summer, and had that experience, where I felt the stillness of it. But I'd never felt it in the winter.

    You know, Finnish winter is so beautiful. Even when there's, when the sun isn't out, there are so many shades of darkness that mix with the lightness that you can see. Gray and blue and silvers. And then there's birds circling overhead. And sometimes there's birds in the water with you, swimming and flying above and making beautiful bird noises. And immediately in front of you, you see the water, like the Baltic water, which is this sort of greenish gray color. But then there's this just vast expanse of white. So it feels like you're looking across a Tundra.

    LANDRY: Elizabeth remembers one day in particular when everything seemed to solidify — when she realized the avanto could give her more than just a high.

    ELIZABETH: I was alone in the avanto. And it was so quiet. It almost took my breath away, because it was so calming. It was like the stillness that I found inside of me matched the stillness that was around me in the nature. It was just this incredibly grounding experience. I felt like I was just part of that avanto, like I had found this incredible sense of peace right there in the middle of that ice hole.

    LANDRY: It might sound counterintuitive that being in freezing cold water in January would bring you a sense of peace, but for Elizabeth it did.

    She went back to the changing room on the shore and sat on the bench, warming up, and knew something was different. The pain wasn’t gone. Her grief from Bill’s passing was still there. And her fingers were still numb from the icy water. But it was no longer all consuming. She felt a newfound serenity. And she realized the two could coexist — that grief didn’t have to be gone for her to feel peace.

    It’s been over a year since Elizabeth lost her brother Bill. There’s been another winter, another season of relearning what cold swimming can do, another year of coming to grips with loss. She still misses Bill, still gets angry at him for the pain he caused, still feels sorry for the pain he lived with. But she’s no longer numb to those feelings, and instead, is finding ways to purposefully explore them. She’s been writing a lot, working on a book about the experience.

    What do you think Bill would say if you were able to call him up and be like, “I just went ice swimming today and told him about…”

    ELIZABETH: Yeah…He’d say, “Meow. That's crazy, meow. That's crazy, Meow! Send me a video.” I don't think he would want to do it. I don't think he would be interested in ice swimming. I tried to convince Ed, my other brother, to come by swimming. I don't think he wants to do it either. Which I respect, I respect. But yeah, I think that Bill would be like, “That's wild. And what an amazing way to commune with nature.”

    LANDRY: Elizabeth’s grief had been like a sheet of ice, hard and solid. But there was an immense amount of joy underneath it, a love for Bill and all their time together that she’d swam in since they were just a couple of silly kids. The avanto was more than just a literal hole in the ice. It was a gateway through her anguish, a door that let her enter those happy memories. It led to a small pool of joy amidst the vast tundra of grief.

    WILLOW: That was Landry Ayres. Landry is a creator living in Helsinki, Finland. You can find more from them on their Youtube channel, Finlandria, and on their podcast, You Only Guide Me by Surprise.

    Coming up next time on Out There: When was the last time you went outdoors and just sat there?

    MYKELLA VAN COOTEN: It wasn’t long before my brain started circling. Had I forgotten anything? Had I put all my stuff away? Was the car locked? Did it even need to be? Ah, this sitting still, doing nothing, it felt so weird.

    WILLOW: Tune in on June 29th for a story letting go and uncovering some surprising personal truths.

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    I personally have always loved words. And in fact, my whole family has a somewhat ridiculous fascination with grammar. It’s pretty common, when we get together at holidays, for us to have heated debates about obscure grammar questions. Like, this is normal dinner-table conversation for us.

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    PeakVisor has been a loyal supporter of Out There for years, and I’m so grateful for their continuing sponsorship. If you’d like your own personal mountain guide, check out PeakVisor in the app store. You just might love it.

    Today’s story was reported and written by Landry Ayres. Story editing and sound design by me, Willow Belden. Out There’s advertising manager is Jessica Heeg. Our audience growth director is Sheeba Joseph. Our ambassadors are Tiffany Duong, Ashley White, and Stacia Bennet. And our theme music was written by Jared Arnold.

    Special thanks to all of our listeners who are supporting Out There with financial contributions, including Eric Biederman, Phil Timm, Doug Frick, Tara Joslin, Deb and Vince Garcia, and the family of Mike Ludders. If you’d like to get in on the fun and support Out There financially, just go to patreon.com/outtherepodcast or click the link in the episode description.

    We’ll see you in two weeks. And in the meantime, have a beautiful day, be bold, go outside, and find your dreams.

 

Episode Credits

Story by Landry Ayres

Story editing and sound design by Willow Belden

Music includes works from StoryBlocks and Blue Dot Sessions

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Queer in Appalachia

What if ‘home’ isn’t a place you feel welcome?

Newt Schottelkotte on their road trip through Appalachia (Photo courtesy Newt Schottelkotte)

 
When you grow up never seeing yourself in the world around you, you start to believe you simply don’t belong there.
— Newt Schottelkotte
 

Season 4 // Episode 4

As a nonbinary person, Newt Schottelkotte never felt at home in Appalachia. But then, they went on a road trip with their dad. Driving through the Blue Ridge Mountains, something started to shift.

This is a story about figuring out how to be yourself without abandoning where you’re from.

  • Welcome to Out There Podcast. Our stories are written for the ear, so for those able, we recommend listening while reading along. Transcripts may contain minor errors; please check the audio before quoting.

    VOICEOVER: Hub and Spoke audio collective.

    WILLOW BELDEN: Alright, I am out for a bike ride, and I’m in a spot here where I can see three different mountain ranges. And I only know what one of them is. And I’m always curious what the other two are.

    This happens often. I’ll be out doing something fun. I’ll see mountains in the distance. And I always want to know what they are. Which is where an app called PeakVisor comes in handy.

    PeakVisor is one of our sponsors for this episode. When you open up their app, it shows you a panoramic image of everything you’re seeing, with all the peaks labeled. It tells you each mountain’s name, its height, how far away it is. And it works for mountains all over the world.

    If you, too, like to know what you’re looking at when you’re out on adventures, check out PeakVisor in the app store. You just might love it.

    Hi, I’m Willow Belden, and you’re listening to Out There, the podcast that explores big questions through intimate stories outdoors.

    This season, we’re exploring the theme “Secrets of the Earth.” Each episode, we’re harnessing the power of nature to uncover new truths and help us understand our own humanity.

    Today’s story is about self discovery. When we’re looking to find ourselves, we often go back to the place where it all started: home. From a yearly beach trip to a beloved backyard, the natural spaces we grew up in can be places of clarity and comfort.

    But what happens when those spaces come into conflict with who we are? What if home isn’t a space where you feel welcome? Newt Schottelkotte has the story.

    NEWT SCHOTTELKOTTE: You might not believe me if you saw me, but I did Cotillion. Cotillion is a formal ball or dance where debutantes are presented to society. The goal is to impress potential suitors. You go to a series of classes in a community center or high school gym and learn how to do things like foxtrot, know when to use a soup spoon, and greet the Queen of England.

    I took about two Cotillion classes before saying “Hell no,” but the impression it leaves on you is clear: this is the ideal to strive to. Putting on makeup and a nice dress and going to dinner and dancing with a man is what being a girl in the south is all about.

    The problem was, femininity never fit me growing up. I would have knock-down-drag-out fights with my mother about having to shave my legs. I pleaded to not have to wear a dress on special occasions. And it wasn’t just that I didn’t want to act like a stereotypical girl. I never felt like I was a girl.

    But to be fair, being a boy didn’t look great either. Boys in the south did a lot of things that seemed toxic to me. I didn’t want to be the kind of jerk who dissed the Babysitters Club, or who made fun of boys for crying.

    I wasn’t the only person who struggled to fit in, but that didn’t make it any easier. In the south, there wasn’t room for nuance. I remember seeing girls on the school volleyball team with perfectly curled hair and waterproof makeup, because anything less than extreme femininity when playing a sport would instantly get you pegged as an “ugly lesbian.” When I did theatre in high school, any guy that didn’t need a girl to hand-hold him through doing his stage makeup was instantly suspect. If you deviated from your assigned role, the labeling was swift and negative. And that didn’t leave room for anyone to explore their own gender. Everyone presents their gender differently, whether you identify as the one you were assigned at birth or not. My little sister is a girl in a totally different way than my mother is.

    In this kind of environment, there was one type of femininity, and one type of masculinity. I decidedly clicked with neither. Being anything other than ambiguous and in between felt wrong. Like I was doing a bad performance, and everyone watching me could tell. I was caught between a rock and a hard place, and during high school, where so much is placed on figuring out who you are, I felt trapped by either option.

    The first time I realized there might be a third option was during choir class my freshman year of high school. We were on a break, and I was scrolling through my Tumblr dashboard, when I came across a post breaking down the history of gender-neutral labels.

    The post explained that the Talmud, the Jewish book of holy commentary, lists six different terms to talk about gender. Six. They have words for cis people and words for binary and nonbinary trans people.

    Reading this, I felt a flutter of excitement in my gut. I had heard the word “transgender” before, but it was never really talked about. And “nonbinary” was a new concept altogether. Instantly, I felt less alone. The Talmud is older than the concept of Jesus, so for thousands and thousands of years, people have been out there who didn’t fit neatly into the categories of male or female. And religious texts recognized them. Not only that, but the blog post explained that thousands of indigenous cultures had a term for their version of gender-queerness.

    The post also talked about pronouns, and how we use the singular “they/them” pronoun when people don’t neatly identify as male or female. Something about that appealed to me right away, so I added “they/them” to the “she/her” that was already in my Tumblr bio. Instantly I felt a rush of endorphins and adrenaline, and a week later I removed the “she/her” altogether. As soon as I did that, people online started referring to me with they/them pronouns. It felt so good. So true to who I was. It was like they were actually talking to and about me, not this abstract idea of a female person I had never really felt connected to. I cherished that one space where I could give people the real me, and where I actually felt seen. The following year I even chose a new name for myself. One that wasn’t obviously feminine. I started calling myself Newton — or Newt, for short.

    But that was all strictly online. I didn’t feel like I could tell anyone at home that I was nonbinary. It wasn’t that I was afraid of the worst case scenario. I had heard the horror stories of trans kids getting kicked out, sent to conversion therapy, and worse. My parents weren’t bigots, but they had absolutely no idea what trans people were, much less nonbinary people. It would be a monumentally difficult and intense process of explaining myself to them. I didn’t want to go through that while I was still living with them. The whole idea felt overwhelming. Even putting aside the fact that I was still figuring myself out.

    And so, I explored my identity alone. In secret.

    I grew up during that nebulous time when shows like Glee had informed kids my age that gay people existed and didn’t deserve to be shoved in a locker (just ignored entirely), but the only resources for someone in a small town to figure out their gender and sexuality were on the Internet. Most of what the nonbinary identity meant to me came from queer spaces online, and pdfs of books the local library didn’t carry.

    I remember listening to the fiction podcast Welcome to Night Vale. The main character is gay. I would lie in bed, headphones over my ears and eyes closed, letting the world around me become one where people like me didn’t have to worry about explaining ourselves; we could just go on cool adventures and save the world. But then, the episode would end, and I’d be back in the real world. In Appalachia. In a place that seemed bigoted and inhospitable. Where the news cycle was dominated by Trump and poverty porn. Where people like me were pushed out, or worse.

    I felt so isolated. Everything about this region felt awful. I didn’t fit the social culture. I felt alienated and unwanted. When you grow up never seeing yourself in the world around you, you start to believe you simply don’t belong there.

    Finally, when I left for college, I decided it was time to come out. To my parents, and everyone else. I planned to haul my stuff into my dorm, introduce myself to my hallmates as Newt, and start my new life in college being a hundred percent out of the closet.

    The day after moving, I went out for breakfast with my parents to have The Talk. We sat down, the A/C roaring like most southern places in late August, and while my dad ordered biscuits for the table, I did the best thing I could think of to stop myself from backing out now: I went on Instagram and changed the name and pronouns on my account, then posted a screenshot of it to my story. Boom. Done. Time for the low-tech approach.

    My palms have never sweat as much as they did when I started to explain to my parents what nonbinary means. Both were in their late fifties, so it took a couple of attempts. I tried the flat Earth approach. I explained that our understanding of gender and science is constantly evolving, and just like how we’ve historically assumed the Earth was flat, we learned more as a species and moved on. We used to think there were only two genders, but, as many pre-colonial cultures knew from the very start, we now understand things are much more fluid than that. You don’t have to be one or the other.

    My dad ordered more biscuits.

    Then I told them my name was Newton.

    “What’s wrong with the name we gave you?” my dad asked.

    I told him it was instantly recognizable as a girl name, and I’m not a girl. He didn’t have anything to say to that. There wasn’t much reaction from either of them, really. It felt like I was pouring my heart out to a pair of brick walls.

    By hour two, I had successfully managed to get my mother to say a whole five words on the subject. My dad ordered another cup of coffee the moment I began my oral presentation on the history of the singular they. I explained that all the way back in the 1300s, people used “they” to refer to a single person whose gender the reader doesn’t know yet. The only real change in its use, I explained, is that now we also use it even when we do know a person’s gender. My dad still wasn’t looking at me. But then he forgot who our server was and wondered aloud, “Where are they?”

    I blotted my forehead with the last napkin at our table.

    Finally, they had to hit the road to make it back home before dinner. Nobody screamed, I did not throw up from nerves until I got back to my dorm, and we did not talk about the subject at all until I came home for the holidays. So, it could have gone worse. But, if I was being totally honest with myself, a “congratulations” would have been nice. Or a hug.

    By the end of my first semester, I had come out to just about everyone I knew, legally changed my name, and regularly introduced myself with they/them pronouns. While home for winter break, I chopped my hair off into a much butchier style and instantly felt my confidence skyrocket. My closet began to be dominated far more by the men’s section than the women’s. Aside from appreciating the much bigger pockets, I liked the way the clothes made me look and feel.

    And yet, these revelations weren’t exactly welcome. I had so many negative associations with masculinity that it felt like I was indulging in something I shouldn’t be. Masculinity was bad, femininity good, and androgyny even better — right?

    You’re probably thinking that college did the trick in helping me figure all of this out, if not from a gender studies class, then joining the campus GSA or meeting like-minded people at an event. Or I would have packed my things for a big city up north and found myself the old-fashioned way. It might come as much of a surprise to you as it did to me, then, where my biggest moment of self-discovery actually occurred.

    By the time summer vacation rolled around, I was feeling pretty stir-crazy. So when my father asked me to come with him on a road trip through Appalachia and up to Gettysburg for his sixtieth birthday, I said yes.

    Why? Well for one, I really did want to have a relationship with my parents. There’s the idea that, when you come out, if your folks aren’t immediately a hundred percent accepting of you, the relationship is a lost cause and they’ll never change. I had heard stories from friends that that wasn’t always the case, and if my father was willing to invite me, I was willing to take the olive branch. Something a lot of queer people learn as we grow up is that sometimes you have to meet the people you love halfway.

    In terms of the location, if you’d asked me where I’d like to have gone on vacation, I would have probably picked New York or even London, not a small mountain town known solely for the bloodiest single battle of the Civil War. That being said, I had been cooped up in a tiny dorm, staring at a Zoom screen for the better part of the year. He could have invited me to visit the world’s largest ball of string and I would have said yes. At least I knew I would get more biscuits out of it.

    The drive to Gettysburg is usually about six hours, but my father and I tacked an extra two on to take the scenic route. We headed into the Blue Ridge Mountains, meeting a thunderstorm about halfway through the day. The fields of corn and soybeans slowly became denser and denser forests, interspersed with wide fields of rolled hay. We passed small farms with produce stands and cows huddled against the rain. The air was cool from the storm, and we rolled down the windows. We kept the radio off and didn’t say anything, just listened to the hum of the engine and the birds calling overhead. The air smelled like wet soil and rhododendrons.

    As we reached the high point of the road and saw the world spread out in front of us along the highway, the rain stopped. The pavement beneath the car was still warm enough that steam poured off it. The clouds settled around the tops of the mountains as mist, and the sun punched holes through to beam down onto the fields below. My mother always called them God fingers, like heaven itself was reaching down to touch the land. It was one of the most beautiful things I had ever seen.

    The river was so loud I could feel it in my teeth. The pulse of the water over the rocks and through the valley sounded like a thousand crowded heartbeats, flowing together into a rip current of sound that made everything else around me fall away. You can’t be surrounded by that and not feel a part of something miles and miles and eons bigger than yourself. These mountains didn’t care about my baggage. They’re 480 million years old. They’d been around longer than any of all that.

    It surprised me how much yearning and love I felt. I had distanced myself from this region for so long. Maybe I was wrong to write off an entire region so quickly. I had been trying to sever my connection to Appalachia my whole life, but there was so much beauty here. Maybe I needed to give this place another chance. Maybe I shouldn’t be so rigid in labeling a place as either good or bad. Once I came to that realization, it unlocked a completely new way of seeing where I’m from — and who I can be.

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    And now, back to the story.

    NEWT: The day that we walked around the town of Gettysburg was their local pride festival. Gettysburg sits smack in the middle of rural Pennsylvania, an area most people would refer to as “the middle of nowhere.” I’ve always been pretty interested in history, but if you’d asked me to list historical sites that I’d classify as even marginally queer-friendly, Gettysburg would have been near the bottom.

    After a long morning of touring Civil War battlefields flooded with aggressively heterosexual middle-aged dads, stepping into the town square and staring agog at the pride flags hung everywhere was like finding another planet in your backyard. There were parents taking their kids to the craft fair stations in fun costumes, and a circle of advocacy and health booths, and teens and tweens wearing flags like capes and cringey glitter makeup and pins and just getting to do all the embarrassing things you do at that age but as themselves. LGBTQ, in Appalachia, on a beautiful summer day in June.

    I went to one of the craft fair booths with my father and sat down in the midst of a group full of queer people of all ages: a grandmother and her grandson, a mother and her infant wearing rainbow antlers, and a college student home for the summer. We were all painting rocks, each of them a different animal. I made a frog, because I like frogs.

    Part of what is so incredible about queer spaces is that they bring people together who would otherwise have nothing in common. As much as we like to insist that our gender or sexuality is a small part of who we are, there is an important community to be had with people who share your marginalized experience. As I sat there, covering my chosen rock with green paint, I realized that our queerness wasn’t the only pivotal thing that everyone here had in common. It was the place we had chosen to gather in — the place we all called home despite everything and everyone that said we shouldn’t.

    Walking around, seeing all of these people, it reminded me of something important: we are here. We have always been here. And not just that, but we exist here joyously and are working together as a community to create spaces that celebrate who we are without abandoning where we’re from. On that day, there wasn’t a single protester or bigot looking to ruin the fun — just clear blue sky above a place where we could all be ourselves. Not just queer, but Appalachian too.

    When we sat down on the curb of town square to eat lunch, I started chatting with the lesbian couple next to me. One of them was a butch. She had short, short hair — almost a buzzcut, with a single stud earring as her only piece of jewelry. Her nails were neat and short, hands littered with calluses, and she was wearing cargo shorts and a men’s tank top. Her sneakers were the exact same kind as my dad’s. She was holding both her, and her wife’s, paper boats for their hot dogs, the keys on her belt loop jingling every time she leaned forward to take a bite. She and her wife were refurbishing their basement, and she was more than excited to tell me about the wood varnish they were using for the floors.

    Whenever I see another butch in public, it always feels incredibly special. We have this thing called the butch head nod, where whenever you see another butch out and about, you give them a quick little bob of the head and make eye contact. It can only last a second, but that moment of connection and solidarity is so important to me. It says, “I see you, I know who you are, and I am reaching out deliberately to remind you that you are not alone.”

    Sitting down with this fellow butch in the heart of Appalachia wasn’t just special because of that base kinship. It was a chance to see the specific version of myself that I wanted to be in this place. She had on work shoes like mine — the kind made for yard work that dads (including mine) go crazy for — and a drawl like mine and seemed perfectly comfortable with both of those things. I wanted to be that comfortable in my own skin. Seeing her planted a seed in my mind: that I could not only be openly queer here, but that I could embrace my masculinity and my Southern roots.

    That night, we ended the day, and the trip itself, at a cider tasting place just off the square. There were people obviously coming from the festival, and more traditionally rural-looking folks, all sitting together and enjoying the music and drinks. I certainly wasn’t old enough to drink yet, so I just sat and looked around, taking in the atmosphere. It felt pretty close to perfect.

    Before this trip, I had never gotten the opportunity to see queer people in the south and Appalachia out, in every sense of the word — thriving and living and loving in our home. The thing about so many queer spaces is that they’re online, and when they’re not online, they’re centered in, and about the experiences of, the people who live in metropolitan and northern regions. Walking around Gettysburg — getting outside and offline — helped break down the false idea that we don’t exist here, much less belong. Of course we do. There are things that need changing, but we can be here, and we can be happy too. Being gay in the south is not about being beaten to death with a shovel on the side of the road. It’s not about hating church, or leaving your family, or at least not entirely about that. There is community to be had here, and there are people being themselves in a way that I had always wanted to.

    A lot has changed since that trip. I feel a lot more comfortable now with calling myself a transmasculine nonbinary person. For me, that means that while I was raised as a girl and assigned the gender marker of female at birth, I now present myself in a more masculine way. I’m still nonbinary, still neither a man nor a woman, but I started testosterone and pretty much my entire closet is squarely from the men’s section, boots and all.

    I fall very firmly into the category of a fine southern gentleman, and I’m okay with that. I like holding open the door for not just my date, but older folks and moms juggling their kids. When we’re out on the town, my friends know they can trust me to watch their drink, or fend off a jerk at the bar, or walk on the outside of the street. I like working with my hands. I like providing for the people I care about.

    My version of southern masculinity is about being someone that your people can rely on no matter what. It’s telling someone, “It makes me happy to make your life a little bit easier in whatever way I can” — whether that’s lending a hand to a stranger or showing one of your own that they are welcome here, too.

    WILLOW: That was Newt Schottelkotte. They are a producer, sound designer, composer, and all-around podcasting person from Nashville, Tennessee.

    Coming up next time on Out There: it’s pretty common to go swimming in the summer. But what about in the winter?

    ELIZABETH WHITNEY: I felt like I was on fire. It was like someone had plugged me into an electric socket. It was this incredible high. And I just stood on the dock. And then of course you’re chasing that high, if you will, for the rest of the time you’re swimming. Like, every time you do it, you’re like, “Ah, is it going to feel that good again? Is it going to feel that good?”

    WILLOW: Tune in on June 15 for a story about ice swimming.

    Before you go, I want to share a couple of things.

    First, I’m participating in a panel that the Sierra Club is running. It’s going to be tomorrow, June 2, at 1 p.m. Eastern Time, and it’s online, so you can join from anywhere. We’re going to be discussing diverse perspectives in outdoor media, and I would love to invite you to join us. I have a link to the event in the episode description, and I hope to see you there.

    Secondly, we’re starting to plan out the next season of Out There, and I’d love your input on what the season theme should be. I’ve put together a really quick poll — it’s just one question — and you can fill it out by clicking the link in the episode description.

    Out There is a proud member of Hub & Spoke, a collective of idea-driven independent podcasts. One of the other shows in the collective is called Open Source. They like to describe themselves as “an American conversation with global attitude.” You can find Open Source wherever you get your podcasts, or at radioopensource.org.

    Alright, so I’ve opened up PeakVisor. It’s thinking.

    PeakVisor is one of our sponsors. It’s an app that helps you make the most of your time in the mountains. Let’s say you’re out on a hike or a bike ride. It’ll help you figure out what mountains you’re looking at.

    Oh wow, ok. So I am looking all the way down into Rocky Mountain National Park. Like, I can see Long’s Peak from here. That’s pretty cool.

    PeakVisor has info on more than a million summits all over the world. Plus, they have detailed 3D maps to help with planning. And they have a peak-bagging feature that lets you keep track of your achievements.

    If you’d like your own personal mountain guide, check out PeakVisor in the app store. You just might love it.

    Today’s story was written and narrated by Newt Schottelkotte. Story editing and sound design by me, Willow Belden. Out There’s advertising manager is Jessica Heeg. Our audience growth director is Sheeba Joseph. Our ambassadors are Tiffany Duong, Ashley White, and Stacia Bennet. And our theme music was written by Jared Arnold.

    We’ll see you in two weeks. And in the meantime, have a beautiful day, be bold, go outside, and find your dreams.

 

Episode Credits

Story by Newt Schottelkotte

Story editing and sound design by Willow Belden

Music includes works from StoryBlocks and Blue Dot Sessions

Links

Take our poll about next season’s theme

Sierra Club Panel: Diverse Perspectives in Outdoor Media

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Rekindling Hope

How an unexpected gift from nature quelled a deep depression

Carolyn McDonald (Photo courtesy Carolyn McDonald)

 
Make room for what you can’t imagine.
— Carolyn McDonald
 

Season 4 // Episode 3

Carolyn McDonald was struggling — hard. The depression had gotten so bad that she couldn’t see a way forward.

Then, one day, she went to the beach.

On this episode, we share the story of what happened. It’s a story about art, wonder, and finding joy at low tide.

  • Welcome to Out There Podcast. Our stories are written for the ear, so for those able, we recommend listening while reading along. Transcripts may contain minor errors; please check the audio before quoting.

    VOICEOVER: Hub and Spoke audio collective.

    WILLOW BELDEN: Hi, I’m Willow Belden, and you’re listening to Out There, the podcast that explores big questions through intimate stories outdoors.

    This season, we’re exploring the theme “Secrets of the Earth.” Each episode, we’re harnessing the power of nature to uncover new truths and help us understand our own humanity.

    Today, we have a story about rekindling hope. But before we get to that, I want to give a shout-out to our presenting sponsor for the season, PeakVisor.

    If you’re anything like me, when you’re out in the mountains, you probably like to know what you’re looking at. For example, if you’re out on a hike, and you see gorgeous peaks off in the distance, you want to know what they are.

    But oftentimes, it’s hard to figure it out. Because hiking maps usually only show you the immediate vicinity.

    That’s where PeakVisor comes in handy. It’s an app that’s made just for this kind of situation. It’ll figure out where you are, and then it’ll tell you all the mountains you’re looking at. It gives you their names, their elevations, how far away they are.

    The app also has all sorts of features that are helpful for trip planning. And you can keep track of your accomplishments with their peak-bagging feature.

    If you’d like your own personal mountain guide, check out Peak Visor in the app store. You just might love it.

    And now, on to our story for today.

    If you’ve ever suffered from depression, you know how insidious it can be. It has this way of seeping into every aspect of your life and sucking away the joy. No matter how hard you try to find silver linings, the world seems dark and bleak and lonely.

    So, how do you rekindle hope?

    Today’s story is about finding a way out of the pain. And it’s about what nature can give us, when the tide is very low. And just so you know, this story contains some adult language.

    2020 was a rough year for pretty much everyone. But it was especially hard for Carolyn McDonald.

    CAROLYN MCDONALD: I had gone through a horrible breakup, and I was just so heartbroken. And the same day this my guy suddenly, out of the blue, ended it, in the middle of a sentence, you know, my sister passed away six days later.

    WILLOW: It was like double grief.

    And then, Carolyn got covid. Not once, but twice. Both times, she was sick for months. Remember, this was long before there was a vaccine. The symptoms were excruciating: crushing headaches, stabbing pains in her organs, difficulty breathing, brain fog.

    But what made it even worse was the isolation. Carolyn had just moved to California from the east coast, and she didn’t know anyone. Besides, this was the point where people were going into lockdown. Even if she’d had friends locally, they wouldn’t have been able to see her.

    CAROLYN: I was very depressed. Like I remember waking up and just literally praying, just: “Is this going to lift?” And being on the verge of tears all the time. And just feeling hopeless. I’d never felt that in my life before, and I’ve been through some troubling times and challenges in my life. But this was the first time that I really honestly felt hopeless. And that was a little frightening for me.

    WILLOW: Month after month went by. The symptoms of long covid lingered. The isolation continued. The depression worsened. It got to the point where she couldn’t see a way forward. Couldn’t imagine a future in which things would be ok.

    CAROLYN: The mornings were the worst. I’d just be very heavily woeful in the morning, and oftentimes waking up in tears.

    WILLOW: She tried to cheer herself up as best she could. She listened to podcasts. Motivational sermons. Self-help books. But those things only offered a temporary reprieve.

    CAROLYN: Like, you know, taking an Advil or a painkiller. It works for a while. And then it goes away.

    The beach was the one saving grace. Because, you know, nobody was allowed to go anywhere. You couldn’t, certainly to cafes, barely to the grocery store. So it was so cathartic to be able to go to the beach.

    Just being there, sitting on the sand, watching the sun. And birds. I became a bird — not a bird watcher or aficionado— but just getting into watching the sandpipers versus the seagulls versus the birds I still don’t have the names for. But just watching them patter around and go out and run to the sea and come back with the wave.

    So I went every day, because I literally live a seven-minute walk. You know, so I would take my time when my energy wasn’t as much. But I would go out, I have this little blanket, and I’d just sit there. And that was, and still is, my thing.

    WILLOW: The beach was soothing. But, just like the podcasts and sermons, it was only a temporary Band-aid. Once she got home, she’d sink back into gloom. And the next morning, she’d wake up as sad as ever.

    And then, one day, something happened. Something that would help her in a way she could never have imagined.

    CAROLYN: Man, that was one of those days. It was just one of those days where I remember weeping that morning. I remember waking up just like, ‘When is this shit going to be over? When am I going to wake up one morning and not be in pain? What morning am I going to wake up and not feel heavy and not cry?’ And it just wouldn’t leave. And that was just one of those melt-down days. It was a melt-down morning. And I just at my dining room table, I just, “OK, ok,” and I just stopped, like “Go to the beach.”

    And I was walking along, and I was angry. I remember just being angry. Is anything going to change? I just want this shit to be over. And so I remember thinking, like, ok, and again that sense of hopelessness too. Like, ‘Ok I’m not even going to look up because if I look up, I’ll think there’s going to be hope, and I know there’s no hope. This shit is not going to change. Every morning I’m waking up like this. So I might as well keep my head down, cause nothing good is going to happen. And I’m just going to keep my head down.’

    WILLOW: So she’s walking along the beach, chin to her chest, staring at the ground. And then all of a sudden, something catches her eye. A pattern in the sand. And then another. And another. Some looked like trees. Some looked like people. Animals. Egyptian glyphs. All carved into the sand by the ocean. They were extraordinarily detailed, and just gorgeous.

    CAROLYN: It was low tide, and the water, as it was trickling in, on each wave, it would, you know, the water would run up to the beach, and it would just kind of carve these amazing, intricate forms into the sand.

    And I kept thinking when I saw them, of the word spectacular. And all those words – you know, spectacular, stupendous. I was just blown away by the detail, the intricacy of what water could do into sand at low tide. And it’s the first time I remember feeling awe. You know, because again, it’s a word we use, but how many times do we experience awe? You know, but I was very aware of awe.

    WILLOW: Carolyn had walked this beach many times. And sure, waves often make patterns in the sand. But this was different. She had never seen anything like it. These etchings were ethereal. Otherworldly.

    CAROLYN: I don’t know how to say it and not make it sound too woo-woo. But I felt like they appeared for me that day. And they were a sign that everything’s going to be alright.

    WILLOW: Instinctively, Carolyn pulled out her phone and started taking pictures. She had always loved photography, and something about these shapes compelled her to capture them. And once she started, she couldn’t stop. She took photograph after photograph after photograph, circling around the shapes, experimenting with different angles.

    CAROLYN: I remember tiptoeing around them. I remember not wanting to disturb them or mess them up or put footprints. Because there were some that had footprints, and people were, you know, you could tell were walking over them and walking through them and stepping on them. And I was like, ‘How could you step on these things?’

    WILLOW: Carolyn has no idea how long she stayed out there. All she knows is she didn’t want to leave. The act of photographing these sand patterns was so joyful. She was totally and utterly in the zone. And as she took picture after picture, she felt something shift inside her.

    CAROLYN: I forgot completely about my own woes. I remember getting caught up in awe. Just utter awe.

    WILLOW: There on the beach, surrounded by nature’s art, Carolyn felt something she hadn’t experienced in a very long time.

    CAROLYN: Hope. Because I had no concept of nature creating something like this. I had no concept of the sea water, tricklings of sea water, being able to carve such beautiful images into the sand. I did not know that could occur.

    WILLOW: And so she thought to herself: ‘If nature can create something so marvelous — so unexpected — so out of the realm of anything I could have imagined — maybe there are more surprises in store, too.’

    CAROLYN: Just maybe, maybe though I can’t see my life getting better, just maybe there’s possibility for something amazing to occur that I couldn’t conceive.

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    And now, back to the story.

    That day at the beach brought back memories for Carolyn. Memories from her childhood. Memories of falling in love with photography. She remembers sneaking into her mother’s bedroom as a little girl and borrowing the camera.

    CAROLYN: You know, she’d put it back on the dresser in the bedroom, and I would sneak it, you know I would like just take it off the dresser, and I would go to the door and take a picture real quick. And then I’d go put it back, and of course get busted when the film comes back, you know. Like, “Where did this extra picture come from?”

    WILLOW: Eventually, she saved up enough money doing chores to buy her own camera. And she started photographing everything: waterfalls, airplanes, her family, people at school. She loved every minute of it. It brought her so much joy. But then, life got in the way.

    CAROLYN: Growing up in a, you know, like a lot of us, not all of us, but for me, growing up in a working class, lower socioeconomic household, you know, you’re guided and groomed to get a job. And not being from a family or community that knew you could possibly have a job as a photographer. And so when it came time to earning a living, I kind of just put it aside.

    WILLOW: Over the years, she dabbled here and there. Took a course in college. Photographed things she saw around town. She even had a show or two. But it never turned into anything serious. Photography was always just a hobby for her. Relegated to the sidelines. And as we all know, it’s hard to keep a childhood passion alive, when you’re just trying to get through the difficult task of being an adult.

    But now, here at the beach, she felt that same giddy excitement she’d felt as a kid.

    CAROLYN: I was so aware of being back in that zone of joy. Being aware that you love this.

    WILLOW: Carolyn photographed every single sand pattern that day. She didn’t want to miss a thing. These images were so special.

    When she was done, she raced home and uploaded the photos onto her computer. And when she looked at them, she was blown away. These photos were good. Really good. She had never prided herself on her own work. But even she could see the artistry here.

    CAROLYN: I’m looking at this, ‘That thing right there is dope. That image right there. That frame, now, that’s amazing. Ok. I created that. But even if I wasn’t me and I would see that in a gallery, I would want to buy that.’

    WILLOW: And it was then, as she allowed herself to admire her own work for the first time, that Carolyn had a surprising thought. These photographs she’d created — these were art. And she was an artist. She had never thought of herself that way before, not in her wildest fantasies.

    CAROLYN: Even though, as I said, I had taken photos and had photography exhibits, it was something about these images specifically that gave me permission to say, “You’re an artist.”

    WILLOW: The thought was a little scary. But it was also liberating.

    Over the next few weeks, Carolyn sifted through her photos. She edited them. Sorted them. Gave them names. And she started to think about what she could do with them. Perhaps they could become a series. Maybe they could even be the start of a new career for her. A career as a photographer.

    She started making inquiries. Reached out to galleries. Brainstormed ideas for generating income. And then, she took one final step. Something she’d been kind of avoiding.

    CAROLYN: It’s so funny, I was having lunch with my daughter on Saturday. And she hadn’t seen the new stuff, because I’d kind of hidden it, in a way. You know, it’s like everybody has that person, whether it be a parent, a child, a mate, or whatever, that you hide stuff from. You’re like afraid: what they gonna think of it? And so I hadn’t showed her anything.

    And so I almost kind of mumbled – I literally mumbled, “So now, since I’m an artist….” You know, it was like, “So I’m an artist.” It was like, there’s only one other person you feel like you need permission from. I didn’t care about anybody else, you know what I mean? But there’s always one person you feel like, whether it’s a parent, it’s like I needed her validation. And she’s like, “Oh this is cool, this is really cool.” And I’m like, “OK.”

    WILLOW: One morning, several months after the fateful beach day, Carolyn woke up feeling different.

    CAROLYN: I believe it was a Saturday morning, and I remember distinctly, ‘Wow, I’m not in pain today.’ And I felt lighter. And I was just like, ‘Oh my God, I didn’t wake up in pain today.’

    WILLOW: She’d been distracted from her sadness before. But now it was just gone. It was like, she had so much joy in her heart from her photography work that there wasn’t space for depression, too.

    When we’re at our lowest, it can be hard to see a way out. It can be hard to imagine that the pain will ever end, or that there’s a way forward. But it’s also at low tide that some of the most beautiful things can happen. Things that spark wonder and rekindle optimism. Surprises in the sand that offer hope.

    The beach had taught her to have faith. It had taught her to trust that good things are out there, even if you can’t quite conceive of them.

    CAROLYN: Just because I can’t see it, or can’t see the how, this let me know that there is hope beyond my conception of things. You know what I mean? You know, there’s room for what you can’t imagine. Make room for what you can’t imagine.

    WILLOW: The sand patterns may not be solely responsible for Carolyn’s emotional recovery. She still listened to motivational podcasts and sermons. She went to therapy. But that magical day at the ocean was the spark. It’s what enabled her to see a future. A future in which her happy place — her art — could be front and center.

    And no, she hasn’t discarded her old life. She didn’t quit her day job. But she’s intentionally working to create a career out of the thing that brings her joy. And she has the beach to thank for that.

    If you’d like to see some of Carolyn’s photos from that day at the beach, head over to our website, outtherepodcast.com. You can also follow Carolyn on Instagram @createdbycarolyn.

    Coming up next time on Out There: Newt Schottelkotte grew up in Appalachia. But they never felt welcome there. The whole region seemed antithetical to who they were. And then one day, they went to the Blue Ridge Mountains.

    NEWT SCHOTTELKOTTE: It surprised myself how much yearning and love I felt. I had distanced myself from this region for so long. Maybe I was wrong to write off an entire region so quickly. Maybe I shouldn’t be so rigid in labeling a place as either good or bad.

    WILLOW: Tune in on June 1st for that story.

    It’s hard to believe, but we’re already starting to think about our next season. And we’d love your input on what that season should look like. What theme do you want us to focus on? We put together a poll, and I would be so grateful if you’d fill it out. It’s super quick — just one question. And you find the link in the episode description, or at outtherepodcast.com.

    Out There is a proud member of Hub & Spoke, a collective of idea-driven independent podcasts. One of the other shows in the collective that I think you’ll enjoy is called Iconography. They share stories about the icons — both real and imagined — that define our sense of place. One episode I particularly enjoyed is the one about the Boston Marathon and the Citgo sign. You can find Iconography wherever you get your podcasts, or at iconographypodcast.com.

    This season of Out There is supported by PeakVisor. PeakVisor is an app that helps you make the most of your adventures in the mountains.

    They have intricate 3D maps to help you plan out your trips. They have navigation features that help you stay on the right path. They have peak-bagging challenges to keep you motivated. And, as I mentioned at the top of the episode, once you’re out on adventures, you can use their peak identification feature to figure out what mountains you’re looking at.

    If you’d like your own personal mountain guide, check out PeakVisor in the app store. You just might love it.

    Today’s story was produced by me, Willow Belden. Story editing by Corinne Ruff. And special thanks to Lori Mortimer for feedback on the sound design.

    Out There’s advertising manager is Jessica Taylor. Our audience growth director is Sheeba Joseph. Our ambassadors are Tiffany Duong, Ashley White, and Stacia Bennet. And our theme music was written by Jared Arnold.

    Special thanks to all our listeners who are supporting Out There with financial contributions, including Eric Biederman, Phil Timm, Doug Frick, Tara Joslin, Deb and Vince Garcia, and the family of Mike Ludders. If you’d like to support Out There too, go to patreon.com/outtherepodcast. Patreon is a crowd-funding platform for creative endeavors, and I have a link in the episode description.

    We’ll see you in two weeks. And in the meantime, have a beautiful day, be bold, go outside, and find your dreams.

 

Selections from TIME + TIDE: AS REVEALED BY LIGHT

by Carolyn McDonald

 

Episode Credits

Story and sound design by Willow Belden

Script editing by Corinne Ruff

Special thanks to Lori Mortimer for sound-design feedback

Music includes works from StoryBlocks and Blue Dot Sessions

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Moonlight

Getting back on track when you lose your way

Stepfanie Aguilar camps at Red Rock Canyon State Park (photo courtesy stepfanie aguilar)

 
I learned something meaningful that night in the desert. I learned how important family stories can be, when you’re trying to move through this world.
— Stepfanie Aguilar
 

Season 4 // Episode 2

We’ve all had moments when we feel lost. Sometimes it’s literal — getting lost in the mountains or at sea. Sometimes it’s emotional — where we question our place in life. 

Either way, it’s unnerving. And lonely.

This story takes us from the deserts of California to the jungles of the Philippines, and explores how one young woman got back on track, when she lost her way, both literally and figuratively.

  • Welcome to Out There Podcast. Our stories are written for the ear, so for those able, we recommend listening while reading along. Transcripts may contain minor errors; please check the audio before quoting.

    VOICEOVER: Hub and Spoke audio collective.

    DENIS BULICHENKO: We went on a skiing tour, a back-country ski tour. And the thing was that the weather was unreliable on that day.

    WILLOW BELDEN: This is Denis Bulichenko.

    DENIS: So we went to the summit and started our descent. But at the same time, the clouds arrived, and it was like clear whiteout. We weren’t able to see anything at all. And we were quite lost.

    WILLOW: Lost. In the mountains. In a snowstorm. This is NOT a situation you want to be in.

    But luckily, Denis had a tool at his disposal. An app that he’d developed. It’s called PeakVisor, and it helps you navigate in the backcountry. And in this case, it was a lifesaver.

    DENIS: Using 3-D map and the terrain visualization, we were able to track back our steps and to find a safe descent to the valley.

    WILLOW: PeakVisor is our presenting sponsor this season. Check out their app in the app store. You just might love it.

    Hi, I’m Willow Belden, and you’re listening to Out There, the podcast that explores big questions through intimate stories outdoors.

    This season, we’re exploring the theme “Secrets of the Earth.” Each episode, we’re harnessing the power of nature to uncover new truths and help us understand our own humanity.

    Today’s story is about losing your way.

    We’ve all had moments when we feel lost. Sometimes, it’s literal — getting lost in the mountains, or at sea. Sometimes, it’s emotional — when we question our place in life.

    Either way, it’s unnerving. And lonely.

    On this episode, Stepfanie Aguilar takes us from the deserts of California to the jungles of the Philippines, and explores how you get back on track, when you lose your way, both literally and figuratively.

    STEPFANIE AGUILAR: I was at the top of this ridge. And I was by myself. The wind was so strong that I thought it would knock me off the cliff. I kept saying to myself, “Don’t look down, don’t look down.”

    Because I’m really scared of heights.

    But let’s back up.

    At the time, I was in my mid twenties, and I was going through a quarter-life crisis. I didn’t know what kind of work I should do, I was under a lot of debt, and I wasn’t sure what I was passionate about. It was an unfulfilled life.

    I was carrying a lot of shame and disappointment because I couldn’t get myself together. I was getting more and more insecure about myself. It was a downward spiral.

    The one thing that helped was getting outdoors. I found myself drifting into the mountains, forests, and deserts. Away from where people crowded. In places where I didn’t have to perform.

    There was one year when I kept my camping gear in the trunk of my car all the time, because I was camping so much.

    Camping and hiking was therapeutic. Hiking was embodied meditation, reflection, and knowledge-seeking. It also seemed to symbolize the obstacles in my life. Like struggling and wanting to turn back. Measuring to see if I can push myself a little further to pull it off.

    But one day, that therapeutic practice became something else. Something unexpected. Something frightening.

    STEPFANIE (field recording): Packing for an overnight camping trip, and I’m missing a flashlight.

    STEPFANIE (narration): My destination was Red Rock Canyon State Park. It’s in the desert, an hour away from where I live in southern California.

    It was one of those weeks where I felt mentally drained, and I just needed a quick getaway. So at the last minute, I packed up the rest of my camping gear and hit the road.

    When I got to the campground in the afternoon, I was amazed. I hadn’t expected it to be this beautiful. I pitched my tent at the foot of these dramatic cliffs.

    STEPFANIE (field recording): It’s like I’m gonna camp in between some giant’s toes.

    STEPFANIE (narration): After setting up my tent, I decided to go for a sunset hike. I wanted to stretch my legs before making dinner and take pictures of plants during golden hour. Taking pictures was another meditative activity for me.

    I looked at my map. There was a short nature trail nearby. It’s just what I needed: gentle and easy.

    STEPFANIE (field recording): I’m all packed for my little hike. Let’s see what this trail is all about.

    STEPFANIE (narration): As I hiked, I photographed Cholla cacti, the ones that look like prickly teddy bears. There were Joshua trees. Yucca plants. And it was a very clear sky. Even the moon was already out.

    The sandy trail led me up to a viewpoint high above the campground. And the view. Ah, the view was spectacular.

    From the top, I saw a panorama of hoodoos, these tall, thin rock formations that remind me of chess pieces. I saw shallow caves in the cliffs across from where I stood.

    I had planned to turn back at this point. But I was so curious about this place. It looked mystical. It was also my first time here, and I only had this one night. I wanted to keep exploring.

    Judging from the map, it looked like there was a trail that would take me down into the canyon in front of me. I could then pick up another trail and loop back to the campground. Easy.

    I decided to try it.

    But it didn’t take long for me to wonder if this was a good idea. First of all, the trail was very exposed. And remember, I have a fear of heights.

    STEPFANIE (field recording): Okay. (laughs nervously) It's so high.

    STEPFANIE (narration): Secondly, the terrain was rough. This wasn’t an easy nature trail anymore. It was steep, slippery, and rocky. And I wasn’t prepared.

    STEPFANIE (field recording): This is the first time I brought my running shoes, which isn't really for hiking. I didn't bring my hiking boots.

    STEPFANIE (narration): But I figured that once I got down to the bottom, it would be okay. It would be worth it. So I took a deep breath and scrambled down, clinging to rocks and loose dirt. I kept slipping. The wind kept trying to blow me off course. But then I finally made it to the bottom.

    The trail wasn’t very clear down here. But I saw footprints and even some tire tracks. So I followed them.

    By now, the sun had gone down, and it was twilight. I could still see, but I knew it would be dark soon.

    I felt a twinge of fear in my gut saying maybe I should turn back. But my fear often plays tricks on me. It tells me not to do things, even when they’re perfectly safe. So I tried to ignore it. I told myself to focus on the beauty around me and stop worrying.

    After a while, I came to a group of Joshua Trees clumped together, and it reminded me of a typical family portrait. It felt like they were saying, “Welcome to this side of the canyon.”

    See? There was nothing to be scared of.

    The canyon was gorgeous in the soft evening light. Looking around, I could see the contours and silhouettes of plants and the hoodoos against the canyon walls and all of the beautiful rock formations.

    I kept walking and walking, and the stars came out.

    But eventually, the fear came creeping back into my mind. My gut tugged at me like it was saying, “Hey, you sure you wanna keep going?”

    Again, I tried to ignore it but it lingered.

    STEPFANIE (field recording): Oh my gosh. I'm still walking. What the heck?

    STEPFANIE (narration): I took out my phone and opened up Google Maps. I didn’t have reception in the canyon, but I had downloaded a map of the area ahead of time. It’s a precaution I often take, when I go hiking somewhere new. I looked at the little blue dot on the map, showing me where I was. It looked like I was more than halfway back to the campsite. OK. I can do this. I kept walking.

    But then, the path began to get steep. And the opposing cliffs got closer to each other. And then they joined together like two hands intertwining their fingers. It was a dead end.

    I reached out and attempted to climb the rock, but it felt too dangerous. I didn’t know how to rock climb.

    I checked my map and compared it to Google Maps. And that’s when I realized that I wasn’t where I thought I was. And not only that — I was sort of trapped.

    As panic started to set in, I also felt myself disconnect from my body. Like a scene from a thriller movie, where I’m the audience, and I’m watching this character struggle at the bottom of this tiny canyon.

    And then, thoughts started crowding my mind: This can’t be happening. I should’ve listened to my gut. Why did I think it was okay to go on this hike alone when it was getting dark? What if there’s a creepy person following me? What if I don’t make it back to the campground tonight?

    I felt so alone.

    This hike was supposed to be short and easy. But I had already been out for two hours. And it was anything but easy.

    The fear in my gut intensified.

    WILLOW: Hey, it’s Willow. We’ll hear the rest of the story in a moment. But first — if you’ve ever faced an unexpected night in the backcountry, you probably spent some time worrying about how you were going to stay warm. So I want to tell you about our sponsor, Rumpl.

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    And now, back to the story.

    STEPFANIE: By now, it was completely dark. And since I was at this dead end, I had no choice but to turn back. I hoped I’d be able to retrace my steps and get back the way I came.

    I dug out my headlamp, but it didn’t do much to help me orient myself. If anything, it made me more scared. Illogical fears started crowding into my brain. Like in those horror films where a monster could pop out of nowhere.

    I was starting to get paranoid.

    In the distance, I heard yelping. Maybe a pack of coyotes. A few minutes later, I heard a noise, like something scuttling in front of me. Could it be a lizard? A mouse? A snake?

    I shone my headlamp on the canyon floor, trying to see my footsteps so I could follow them back. But I couldn’t see them. It was like the sand had swallowed up any trace of where I’d come from.

    I squinted my eyes, trying to read the cliffs and search for clues. But their shapes looked too similar.

    I walked and walked, but I kept hitting dead ends. I was starting to get tired.

    I checked Google Maps for hints but it wasn’t much help.

    As I walked, I started talking. Out loud. I talked to the ground, the animals I couldn’t see, the cliffs, the moon. I asked everything around me, “Could you help me find my way? Please?”

    Of course, I wasn’t expecting any of them to actually say something. But I didn’t know what else to do. I just had to tap into my spirituality, to keep me grounded in some way.

    It helped a little. But only for a moment or two. Then the panic would set in again.

    Finally, I sat on a rock to take a break. I was so nervous I couldn’t think straight. All I knew was that I really didn’t want to spend the night in this canyon.

    And then, I happened to look up at the moon. It was full. It laid a blanket of soft light over the canyon, just barely enough to see shadows.

    As I sat there, gazing at the moon, a memory drifted into my mind. Or rather, a story my mother had told me.

    A story from her childhood.

    JENNIFER AGUILAR (montage): The moonlight. The moonlight. Moonlight. Guided by the moonlight.

    STEPFANIE: My mom grew up in the Philippines. And when she was nine years old, her mother — my grandmother — was offered a job, far away from home.

    JENNIFER: And she has to take it even if it's so far from us. Even if it means she has to be separated from us, from her kids and her husband. She needed to get the job because she has to help support the family.

    STEPFANIE: My grandmother — Lola — left with their two babies to work in the mountains while my grandfather — Lolo — stayed behind and took care of the older kids, including my mom. By the way, Lola means grandmother in Tagalog and Lolo means grandfather.

    Every few months, Lolo would travel with the kids to visit Lola and the babies. And the trip they made — it’s something my mom remembers so vividly. Because it was really hard.

    JENNIFER: We have to get up early, like 4 a.m., because we need to take the bus.

    STEPFANIE: This wasn’t a simple trip. The bus would take hours to reach the coast, where they would wait for a bangka, which was a dugout canoe.

    JENNIFER: We stay in the boat for at least four to five hours.

    STEPFANIE: At the time, my mom didn't know how to swim. There were no life vests either.

    JENNIFER: You have to keep still while you are sitting down because they will get mad at you. You might outbalance the bangka, and you might fall and capsize.

    STEPFANIE: Capsizing was a very real risk. And it was extra scary because my mom’s imagination ran wild.

    JENNIFER: I was looking for ghosts or something scary because it was so dark at night.

    STEPFANIE: After the boat ride, they had to walk for six or seven hours. Alone. Through the jungle.

    JENNIFER: It was hard for me and for my two brothers, who are still small, to walk in a very dark, dark place. We didn't even have a flashlight. Only the moonlight.

    My father is an expert of navigating even if there is no trail. I sometimes see him looking at the vegetations, the trees, the forms of the mountains, the forms of the hills.

    STEPFANIE: They walked on fallen trees, branches, and bamboo with only rubber slippers on.

    JENNIFER: We pass by the swamp, where our legs are buried. Sometimes it's knee deep, sometimes it's waist deep. So my father has to pull us out from the mud. Sometimes, my father would tell me, “Step on my footsteps, after me.” So that's what I did, because it means that, when he steps on it, it's already safe.

    STEPFANIE: So, reality check. This was in the 1960s, in the rural Philippines. My mom and Lolo were doing all this without any outdoor gear. No hiking shoes. No compass. No map.

    JENNIFER: We only packed two sets of clothes. We don't have food or snacks to pack up.

    STEPFANIE: What about water?

    JENNIFER: No.

    STEPFANIE: How did you, how did you–

    JENNIFER: We don't have bottled water before.

    STEPFANIE: How did you drink water?

    JENNIFER: We didn't, we did not until we reached the house.

    STEPFANIE: You mean it would take a whole day?

    JENNIFER: Yeah. Yeah. So…

    STEPFANIE: Did anyone cry at any point?

    JENNIFER: No. We cannot even complain.

    STEPFANIE: My mom had shared this story with me a handful of times. But until now, I had never connected with it very strongly. Her stories were like photos in a dusty old album. They felt so distant.

    But now? Lost and alone in the desert, the story felt much more relatable. The fears my mom had felt, as a 9-year-old hiking through the jungle at night? They weren’t that different than the fears I was feeling. Navigating in the dark wasn’t easy for her and Lolo either.

    As I thought about everything she had been through, my own situation started to feel less dire. I had more than enough to survive a night. I carried plenty of water and snacks. I had a jacket for extra warmth. Worst-case scenario, I’d have to sleep outside without a tent. Which is not life-threatening. It would just be uncomfortable. An inconvenience.

    At that moment, I felt a bit ashamed. Not just about me getting lost in the desert. I felt shame in my quarter-life crisis.

    Even though I was jobless, I had somewhere to go. My parents welcomed me home. I was still on their health insurance. I had my own car. Having a job was important, but I didn’t need to figure out all my career or life goals right away.

    As I sat at the bottom of the canyon in the moonlight, thinking all these things, I felt myself softening. It was still dark, and I still didn’t know how to get back to the campground. But I wasn’t so scared anymore. And my heart had calmed.

    Finally, I could think and see more clearly. And once my mind was clearer, I realized I could handle this. I had the skills to find a way out of this mess.

    I thought back to my mom’s story. Lolo was able to figure out the way without a map or a compass. He just needed to read his surroundings using the moonlight, his memory, and his own knowledge.

    I felt that if he could do it, I could somehow pull this off. And I began to trust that I was going to be alright.

    I took a deep breath, closed my eyes, and retraced my steps in my mind, scanning my memory.

    Then I remembered seeing the family portrait of Joshua Trees. If I could locate them, then I’d be able to find that one trail that first connected me to the bottom of this canyon.

    It wasn’t easy. There were so many Joshua trees. I encountered more dead ends. But I could feel that I was getting closer. That’s what my gut was telling me.

    And then finally, I found them. The family of Joshua trees. A crowded bunch in the blue shadow. From there, I found the trail and…

    STEPFANIE (field recording): I made it to the top. Wow.

    STEPFANIE (narration): I was back at the viewpoint, where I could see the nature trail.

    STEPFANIE (field recording): Okay. Now it's time to go to my campsite.

    STEPFANIE (narration): I made it back to the campground just fine. There were no animal attacks. No injuries. No need to sleep outside without a tent.

    Remembering my mom’s story had calmed me down enough that I was able to think clearly and find my way.

    But more importantly, I learned something meaningful that night in the desert. I learned how important family stories can be, when you’re trying to move through this world.

    Since that trip, I’ve turned to my mother’s stories over and over again. Stories like why we migrated to another country, stories about eating and sharing what little food was available, and how it was hard to find a job in the Philippines.

    These stories are humbling. And I’ve come to learn that they offer me solace in my own life. When we go through tough times, it’s easy to get overwhelmed. And remembering that my family members went through their own hardships and were able to navigate them, it makes everything less daunting.

    Whatever I’m facing, if I tap into their stories — their memories — I stop feeling so alone. And often, that’s all you need to find your way in the world.

    WILLOW: That was Stepfanie Aguilar. She’s an audio maker living in California. She’s also a recipient of the Whicker Awards, which support emerging documentary makers throughout the world. You can see more of her work at www.stepfaniea.com, and I have a link to that at our website as well.

    Music in this story included works from Marc Merza and Blue Dot Sessions.

    Coming up next time on Out There, Carolyn McDonald was struggling. Big time.

    CAROLYN MCDONALD: That was just one of those melt-down days. It was a melt-down morning. And I just, at my dining room table, I just like OK, ok. And I stopped, and I said, “Just go to the beach.”

    WILLOW: Tune in on May 18 for a story about rekindling hope, when the tide is at its lowest.

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Living Without Hope

What if the problem you’re facing can’t be fixed?

Jacob ERickson (photo courtesy Jacob Erickson)

 
Going outside is my church. ... Backpacking is my devotion.
— Jacob Erickson
 

Season 4 // Episode 1

When someone is diagnosed with a terminal illness, there’s often a flood of difficult emotions. Grief. Depression. Learning to live without hope.

But more and more, people are experiencing that kind of anguish even when they’re perfectly healthy.

In this episode, we bring you the story of a young man named Jacob Erickson, who almost died from climate anxiety — before a pivotal moment in nature rekindled his will to live.

  • Welcome to Out There Podcast. Our stories are written for the ear, so for those able, we recommend listening while reading along. Transcripts may contain minor errors; please check the audio before quoting.

    VOICEOVER: Hub and Spoke audio collective.

    WILLOW BELDEN: Hi, I’m Willow Belden, and you’re listening to Out There, the podcast that explores big questions through intimate stories outdoors.

    This season, we’re exploring the theme “Secrets of the Earth.” Each episode, we’re harnessing the power of nature to uncover new truths and help us understand our own humanity.

    But before we get to that, I want to introduce you to someone.

    DENIS BULICHENKO: My name is Denis Bulichenko. And everything started in 2015 when I moved to Italy. And I moved from a relatively flat area, well, so the mountains were like really, really exciting thing for me. And I started to go hiking really, really often.

    And also, I have a daughter. She was small back then. But she also was kind of really curious, asking me all the time, “What’s the name of that mountain?”

    WILLOW: I think a lot of us have been in this situation. You’re out in the mountains. You see a peak off in the distance, it looks tantalizing. But you can’t figure out what it is.

    So, what do you do?

    Well, if you’re Denis, you create a new app.

    The app he made is called PeakVisor, and they are the presenting sponsor for this season of Out There. PeakVisor is on a mission to help you make the most of your time in the mountains.

    Check it out in the app store. You just might love it.

    Jacob Erickson is a wilderness guide in western North Carolina. He takes people out in nature to do healing work — dealing with grief and that sort of thing. It’s a process he’s been going through himself for years.

    Jacob’s been facing up to his own mortality since he was around 16. But the life-threatening situation he's reckoning isn't what you might think. He hasn't been diagnosed with cancer. He's not suffering from organ failure. He’s actually not sick with anything.

    I'm going to let Heather Kitching pick up the story from here.

    And trigger warning: This story discusses depression and suicidal ideation.

    HEATHER KITCHING: To be honest, Jacob didn’t really didn't grow up around nature. He’s originally from Phoenix. It's like a concrete jungle built on a desert. And the small strip of lawn in his yard? Well, “lawn” was a generous word for it. It was more like a patch of dried up grass and dirt. He wasn’t even allowed to touch the bushes near the street because they were oleander. They were toxic.

    Jacob was what you might call a sensitive kid, highly attuned to the world around him. He was like a sponge for information.

    JACOB ERICKSON: I remember being like present watching the 2000 election between Bush and Al Gore, and asking my parents, “Why didn't Al Gore win? Because he won the popular vote.” And then they're like, “Jacob, you're like, seven. This is too big of a question for you.”

    HEATHER: Notwithstanding Jacob’s rather unusual fascination with grown-up topics, he had a pretty typical childhood in a lot of ways. He had a sandbox in his yard. Got into video games and space aliens. Played on a soccer team for a while.

    For Jacob, the first clue that something was wrong came when he was eight.

    JACOB: I remember my dad waking me up in the morning, and he tells me, “Jacob, this is a day that will change your life for the rest of your life.

    And I just was like, 'Oh my gosh, mom's dead.'

    And I asked him, like, “Is mom dead?”

    And he was like, “No, someone flew a plane into the Twin Towers.”

    And I was like, “Where's the Twin Towers?” I had, like, no idea.

    And he's like, “It's New York City.”

    And I was just like, “Where's New York City?” Like it was just totally beyond my eight year old brain.

    HEATHER: Jacob gets out of bed. Goes into the living room.

    His mom and two sisters are watching TV. He starts watching with them.

    And he sees those images that we've all seen a million times now. The north tower with a giant gash near the top. Smoke billowing into the air.

    JACOB: I do remember this sense of like a shock wave hitting me, mixed with the feeling like the floor just dropped out underneath you. It was just like this sense of, that things aren't really safe.

    HEATHER: This is the day that Jacob starts to notice symptoms of a disease that's not in his body, but in society. In his case, though, that disease will just about kill him, before he discovers what you might call “a natural remedy.”

    After 9/11, Jacob wants to learn more about this “sickness” he perceives in the world. He watches Mississippi Burning. Reads about the civil rights movement.

    And when he's 15, he goes to this leadership camp. It teaches young people about things like race riots, genocide against Indigenous peoples, the holocaust, Rwanda and Darfur.

    He says it gives him a language for what ails the world – a diagnosis. Several actually: colonialism, xenophobia, white supremacy, antisemitism.

    And it motivates him to start fighting them. He joins his high school social justice club. Gets involved in activism.

    And then something happens that makes Jacob realize that the sickness is even worse than he imagined. He goes to Australia on this student ambassador program called “People to People.” He gets a chance to go snorkeling on the Great Barrier Reef. And what he sees shocks him.

    JACOB: It's a graveyard. Everything's bleached.

    HEATHER: There's nothing but miles and miles of pale white coral against a blue ocean. He sees, like, ONE fish — a big flat thing about four feet long. And a couple of sea cucumbers. And that's it.

    JACOB: I mean, I was expecting a gorgeous mosaic of, like, Finding Nemo. Like, I thought I was gonna see like clownfish and starfish. And what I got was like, Hades underworld.

    HEATHER: Jacob is totally taken aback by this.

    JACOB: I was feeling like a pit in my stomach. I was feeling a certain amount of emptiness. This desire for you know, this underwater magical garden to be a mosaic of Van Gogh's paintbrush. And to see it dying and dead was a wake up call.

    HEATHER: Jacob decides that he needs to take on another battle: saving the planet. What he doesn’t realize is that, on some level, the planet is also going to save him.

    So, I should mention here: Jacob is a voracious reader. When I ask him questions, oftentimes his first instinct is often to quote a favorite author or cite an idea he read in a book somewhere. It can take a minute to get past that, to hear his feelings in his own words.

    And when he gets back from Australia, he starts to read like crazy. Stuff about climate change and sustainability. Starting with the novel Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. You might’ve heard of it. It’s a work of fiction, but the message is that our current lifestyle is unsustainable.

    Jacob says this is the point where he starts to slide into depression.

    JACOB: Fear mind took over, where I was like, ‘Oh my god. Collapse is gonna happen. Like I need to get the hell out of the desert, and I need to get my family out of the desert too because, good God, like we're gonna run out of water.’

    HEATHER: Jacob starts reading non-fiction books in a similar genre. Things like Endgame by Derrick Jensen and Collapse by Jared Diamond. Books that argue that humanity might be headed for a massive die-off.

    When he gets to university, he starts looking up climate science in academic journals. He grows concerned that climate change could cross a threshold where feedback loops feed into each other and collapse the entire ecosystem, killing us all in the process. Or that the fall-outs from climate change, like food shortages and mass migration, could lead to social unrest and war, as humans destroy each other trying to compete for scarce resources.

    And remember, Jacob lives in Arizona. He goes jogging on a dried up river bed. It's not hard for him to believe that life as we know it is on its last legs.

    He says he started to become like Chicken Little, telling anyone who would listen that the sky was falling.

    JACOB: I don't know how my mom and my sisters did it. But I would bring all this stuff to the dinner table. And I'd just be like, “Look at this, like, look at these statistics, like 300 species go extinct, like every week.”

    And they're like, “Oh, wow, you're, you're like in a little too deep, Jacob. Like maybe you should, like, pull out,”

    And I was like, “Are you kidding me? This is like, we all need to learn this.”

    HEATHER: So, it’s possible you’re thinking it all sounds a bit extreme. But I think it's important to point out here that what Jacob fears is not out of the realm of possibility.

    Just lately, scientists have been calling for more discussion about this.

    The Centre for the Study of Existential Risk at Cambridge University published a paper last summer in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences saying we need more research on a possible climate endgame.

    Dr. Kristie Ebi is a coauthor of that paper. She's a professor at the Center for Health and the Global Environment at the University of Washington.

    KRISTIE EBI: There is a possibility of a climate catastrophe.

    HEATHER: According to Ebi and her coauthors, we could cross thresholds this century that led to mass extinction events in the past. They say climate change could trigger other catastrophes, like international conflict, or exacerbate the spread of infectious diseases. Or trigger system failures that unravel societies.

    And that could all happen at even moderate levels of warming.

    Jacob is not the only person who is consumed by fear over this. A study in The Lancet that found that 59 per cent of young people worldwide were either very or extremely worried about climate change. And 45 per cent of them said it’s affecting their daily life and functioning.

    It was Dr. Derrick Sebree Jr. who told me about that study. He’s a core faculty member and the master's program director at the Michigan School of Psychology. He’s registered with the Climate Psychology Alliance as a climate-aware therapist. And he says climate grief can cause people to give up on life.

    DERRICK SEBREE JR: I mean, it's a form of fatalism. Like, the idea of like, ‘Why would I go to university? The university I want to go to is in a place like California, where they might not be here, by then. So why would I even try to go there?’

    HEATHER: You can see these fears reflected on online forums, too. There’s a massive community on Reddit for people who are concerned about social and ecological collapse. It’s the kind of place where people post questions like, “Should I even bother saving for retirement.”

    Nearly half a million people take part in these forums.

    And Jacob was just like them. He had started asking himself, “What was the point in even living if everyone was just going to die?”

    JACOB: I kept thinking, ‘Am I going to bear witness to this? Am I going to watch the cascade of climate change, you know, like, extinguish millions of species and people?’

    HEATHER: At this point, Jacob is sympathizing with climate radicals. His friend Quincy, who's Black, starts calling him the white Malcolm X. He draws a picture in his journal of a polar bear with a rocket propelled grenade blowing up a gas pump. He's become cynical of the climate movement. He thinks the game’s already over.

    JACOB: I was like, ‘Oh, my God, there's no saving this. Like, I can't save anything. None of this.’ Yeah, like, that was rock bottom.

    HEATHER: Flash forward to July of 2013. Jacob's back in Phoenix for the summer after his first year of university in Flagstaff. He's staying with his sister in the family home they grew up in.

    He's by himself one night. Sitting on the sofa.

    He's got a bottle of Sailor Jerry rum in his hand. And his mind is filled with images of death and destruction.

    JACOB: I mean, birds falling out of the sky, putrefied rivers, and seeing you know, trans women's skulls bashed in. I'm seeing Black boys murdered. I'm seeing like exploded bombs and just like nuclear war. Like it was just like a cascade of imagery of just like the bleak darkness of, you know, reality, honestly.

    And I'm just like, 'Man, this is so bad.'

    And I was just, yeah, trying to wash the images away, drink by drink. And it would hold for like five seconds, and then I would take another drink.

    And the images came back worse and worse and worse.

    And for whatever reason, I don't know how, my 38 revolver was on the table. And I remember the way the lamp light was reflected off the end of the barrel. And it was a matte black revolver, snub nose revolver, and I'm looking at the end of the barrel, and there's this glint of light. And I just remember thinking, 'That's my out. This is how I get rid of these screams.’

    And I think I remember, like, 'Might as well just finish the bottle first.'

    And I remember having the bottle on one hand and the gun and the other hand, holding it, and I remember taking a swig from the bottle, and then everything kind of fades to black.

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    And now, back to the story.

    HEATHER: Jacob regains consciousness behind the wheel of his car. He’s alarmed to discover that he’s essentially been driving while blacked out.

    He knows he's got a problem, but the wait-list for counseling at his college is like months long.

    So for two months, he kind of goes through the motions, trudging through life in this really dark space.

    And then, one day, something unexpected happens. Something that brings about a lasting change for Jacob.

    He wakes up in the morning. The sun is coming through the window. Room is bright.

    But it's still all darkness and gloom inside his head.

    But his dog, Jack, needs to go outside so Jacob takes him out for a walk.

    JACOB: It's a cool day. It's like a nice 75-degree sunny day. Slight breeze in the air.

    HEATHER: They walk through the neighborhood and then up a hill.

    JACOB: And it's this mesa, where it's flat on top. And I just go to go sit with my back up to a ponderosa pine, and I can smell their butterscotch vanilla aroma, and I can feel the sun on my skin and the warmth.

    And I just feel like the well and that pressure of coming up from my lungs, coming up from my chest, into my throat, feeling that, like, throat quiver of tears.

    And like I'm on my knees weeping.

    And it was the weirdest thing, of, like, this sense and feeling of serenity, this sense and feeling that, like, everything is going to be okay. Like, it’s like I was being held. And my grief started to disappear, it started to loosen its grip. And I just felt like everything was going to be okay. That the earth that I loved so deeply was going to be alright.

    HEATHER: So, just to be clear, it's not that Jacob suddenly concluded that climate change isn't happening, or that violence and inequality aren't serious problems. That's not what he meant by the earth being all right.

    It was more that he saw himself as part of a much larger picture, in which life and death are part of a natural cycle. He is going to die. But his body will nourish new life, by becoming food for bacteria and insects, who will in turn feed other animals and plants.

    And this whole cycle — all of humanity — is just a blip in the earth’s history. And the earth itself is just a blip in a much larger universe.

    JACOB: When I reach out and go big, it's not as existential of a crisis as I once interpreted it to be. Scientists have discovered, like, 100 million galaxies, and inside each galaxy is another 100 billion stars. And around each star is an untold number of planets. And then here we are, and our one planet and our one star. And that smallness in the grand scheme of the universe, is quite helpful.

    HEATHER: Jacob spends the day kind of basking in the afterglow of this moment.

    And then the next morning, a part of him is like, “Did that even happen? Was that even real?”

    Call it what you want, but it changes Jacob’s life completely.

    He goes out and buys a backpack, starts spending all his free time outdoors. He's backpacking or mountain biking every weekend and every spare moment he can get.

    But he says it's not like he just stops being depressed. He just stops running from it. He turns toward it. And he lets nature comfort him.

    He says he probably still wakes up with a dark cloud over his head between four and six days a week. But the first thing he'll do is go outside and listen for the birds singing.

    JACOB: I often tell people now that, like, going outside is my church. Like, going outside backpacking is my like devotion.

    HEATHER: As time goes on, Jacob’s focus starts to shift — away from death, to questions of how he wants to LIVE, for whatever time we have left on this planet. Because he’s still not convinced that he has that long.

    He’s basically going through a process like one that Dr. Sebree described to me. A process of learning to live without hope.

    SEBREE: If you knew that tomorrow isn't promised to you, would you still go to work? Like, what would you do with that day knowing that, you know, tomorrow might be the last?

    HEATHER: For Jacob, finding the answer to that question means going to grad school. Studying sustainable communities. Even going on a vision fast.

    And he eventually becomes a full-time wilderness guide.

    Two years ago he and his partner finally left the desert of Arizona, for a place with an abundance of water: North Carolina. They set up a company with some friends that takes people out on the land to do healing work. And they call it Remembering Earth.

    A couple years back, Jacob was guiding a day hike in the Smoky mountains for a young guy in his 20s. Suddenly, out of the blue, this guy asked Jacob: “If you knew you only had a year to live, how would you live your life?”

    JACOB: I just chuckled to myself. I just laughed. Because it was a question that I, in one way or another, ask myself most days I wake up: ‘Is this my last day on earth?’ Or I would just tell myself today was my last day. And how would I live that day?

    HEATHER: So how does Jacob answer the question now? Last year he told a version of his story to the Collapse Support forum on Reddit. That’s the forum I mentioned earlier. It’s for people who are struggling with climate anxiety.

    This is part of what he wrote - quote: “If I only had one year, I would still float rivers, hunt, garden, play music, write poetry, wrap my arms around my lover, laugh with friends and family, but most of all I would want to be rekindling the fire of life within others.” End quote.

    JACOB: I have such a vivacious desire to live. And like, know that when I do die, oh my gosh, I'm gonna just be so sad to leave this place. Because even with all the horrors happening, I know it will be difficult and you know, it's like I know I will lose everything that I love.

    And it's a price that I'm willing to pay again and again and again. To steep myself in the beauty with other people, no matter how dark and bleak it is.

    HEATHER: You know, I was drawn to Jacob's story because it made me think of people I've known or read about who've been diagnosed with terminal illnesses. The intense grief and depression. The learning to live without hope. But also, for some, that kind of spiritual journey. Finding comfort in natural beauty and human connections. Trying to find meaning in the time they have left.

    And I think to myself, ‘This is what we're doing to young people with our inaction on climate change. This is what happens when we scream at our politicians to do something about gas prices but not about our climate targets. This is what happens when we egg on the culture wars on Twitter and Facebook, instead of fighting to end social inequality.’

    It’s older generations like mine who are the ones who should have the maturity and resilience to face up to what's happening to our planet. We are the ones who should be demanding real solutions and WELCOMING real sacrifices.

    But instead we've left it to teenagers to make peace with the possibility of dying young.

    WILLOW: That was Heather Kitching. She’s a freelance radio producer based in Thunder Bay, Canada.

    If you want to check out Jacob’s company, it’s called Remembering Earth.

    If you liked this story, please share the link with a friend! We are always eager for new listeners, and your recommendation is our best form of advertising.

    Coming up next time on Out There…

    STEPFANIE AGUILAR: Thoughts started crowding my mind: This can’t be happening. I should’ve listened to my gut. Why did I think it was okay to go on this hike alone when it was getting dark? What if there’s a creepy person following me? What if I don’t make it back to the campground tonight?

    WILLOW: How do you get back on track, when you lose your way — both literally and figuratively? Tune in on May 4 to find out.

    Out There is a proud member of Hub & Spoke, a collective of idea-driven independent podcasts.

    One of the other Hub & Spoke shows that I think you’ll love is called Rumble Strip. It’s based in Vermont, and the host, Erica Heilman, tells these really beautiful, intimate stories about everyday people. She invites herself into their homes and talks to them about what they love, what they hate, what they’re afraid of — and how they’re probably a lot like you.

    Rumble Strip was named the #1 podcast of 2022 by the New Yorker, and it won a Peabody Award that year as well. It’s also gotten recognition from the New York Times and The Atlantic. In other words, it’s the real deal.

    You can listen to Rumble Strip wherever you get your podcasts or at rumblestripvermont.com.

    A big thank you to PeakVisor for supporting this season of Out There.

    As I mentioned, PeakVisor is an app that helps you make the most of your adventures. You can use it to figure out what mountains you’re looking at. And you can take advantage of their 3-D maps, when you’re planning a trip.

    Plus, they have a peak bagging feature so you can keep track of all your accomplishments.

    If you’d like your own personal mountain guide, check out PeakVisor in the app store. You just might love it.

    Today’s story was reported, produced, and sound designed by Heather Kitching. Story editing by me, Willow Belden.

    Out There’s advertising manager is Jessica Taylor. Our audience growth director is Sheeba Joseph. Our ambassadors are Tiffany Duong, Ashley White, and Stacia Bennet. And our theme music was written by Jared Arnold.

    Special thanks to all our listeners who are supporting Out There with financial contributions, including Adam Milgrom, Elana Mugdan, Matt Perry, Eric Biederman, Phil Timm, Doug Frick, Tara Joslin, and Deb and Vince Garcia. It’s your support that makes this podcast possible.

    We’ll be back with another episode in two weeks. In the meantime, have a beautiful day, be bold, go outside, and find your dreams.

 

Credits

Story and sound design by Heather Kitching

Script editing by Willow Belden

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